Gog and Magog and The Differing Views Amongst Muslims

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Before we get to far into Islam’s Gog and Magog, I wanted to put this up. The following posts are from 2 Muslim websites, the links are below. To my Muslim readers, there will be some posts where I will ask you to comment on whether the information is widely accepted and how much is or is not. In addition, some of what I am putting up, may seem offensive to Muslims and non-Muslims alike, it is not meant to be. I am merely putting up what each text/site/person believes, so take it for that.

I found this post to be interesting and refreshing, as I hear so much against the Jews in particular.

Don’t Blame The Jews

Another disturbing trend that is heavily propagated by extremists and accepted by many naive Arabs and Muslims is the blaming of all Muslim problems on the Jews. There are numerous examples for this but most recently news broadcasts out of Iraq quoted Iraqi victims of violence who blamed the bombings on Jews or a Jewish conspiracy.Many Arabs and Muslims still blame the 9-11 attacks on a Jewish conspiracy that was allegedly perpetrated to demonize Arabs and Muslims in the eyes of the world.

One of the most recent and tragic examples of unjustified hate towards Jews was the brutal murder of Daniel Pearl. Daniel Pearl was a journalist murdered by Islamic extremists in Pakistan who had never met a Jew, and the only knowledge they had about Jews was the tireless propaganda from Muslim extremists throughout the world blaming Jews for all of the world’s problems. The extremists targeted and murdered Daniel Pearl because he was a Jew.

Our research indicates that one of the modern origins of this trend is the mutual demonization by Israelis and Arabs of each other to gain global support for each other’s causes. This pattern includes the Arab media’s ceaseless reference to the falsified document, the Protocols of Zion. The Coalition strongly urges Muslims and Arabs to refrain from demonizing Jews and stop blaming Jews for all of the world’s problems. The Coalition also urges Israelis to stop demonizing Arabs and Muslims who peacefully advocate for the rights of Palestinians. http://pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/10/02/dont-blame-the-jews/

.((this is my comment on the above, in case it isn’t ‘outdented’)) I showed in my post ‘Israel, Prophecy, and The End Times’, that some Muslims have no problem with Israel. I wanted to show this post before putting up the next one, to remind you that not every Muslim is against Israel or the Jews, and the same can be said about Christians. Not every Christian is for Israel or Jews, (in this I believe Christians are wrong and not following the Word).

Here is some interesting stuff but it is considered unorthodox and infamous amongst Muslim scholars for its number 19 theory. Still, it shows the differing views of different Muslims. And I can’t say that everything he has to say is wrong in the main Islamic belief, because I have seen some of his views on other websites, which we will be getting too.

Who Are Gog And Magog

The Quran refers to Gog & Magog twice in Quran, in 18:94 & 21:96. It is a great blessing upon us that we have some additional information about Gog & Magog through Dr. Rashad Khalifa, God’s Messenger of the Covenant. Below are the relevant verses for this topic taken from Dr. Khalifa’s English translation of Quran.


[18:93] When he reached the valley between two palisades, he found people whose language was barely understandable.
[18:94] They said, “O Zul-Qarnain, Gog and Magog are corruptors of the earth. Can we pay you to create a barrier between us and them?”
[18:95] He said, “My Lord has given me great bounties. If you cooperate with me, I will build a dam between you and them.
[18:96] “Bring to me masses of iron.” Once he filled the gap between the two palisades, he said, “Blow.” Once it was red hot, he said, “Help me pour tar on top of it.”
[18:97] Thus, they could not climb it, nor could they bore holes in it.
[18:98] He said, “This is mercy from my Lord. When the prophecy of my Lord comes to pass, He will cause the dam to crumble. The prophecy of my Lord is truth.”
[18:99] At that time, we will let them invade with one another, then the horn will be blown, and we will summon them all together.


Footnote for 18:94-98: One of my duties as God’s Messenger of the Covenant is to state that Gog and Magog, the final sign before the end of the world, will reappear in 2270 AD (1700 AH), just 10 years before the end. Note that Gog and Magog occur in Suras 18 and 21, precisely 17 verses before the end of each sura, representing 17 lunar centuries (see 72:27 and Appendix 25).


[21:95] It is forbidden for any community we had annihilated to return.
[21:96] Not until Gog and Magog reappear, will they then return – they will come from every direction.
[21:97] That is when the inevitable prophecy will come to pass, and the disbelievers will stare in horror: “Woe to us; we have been oblivious. Indeed, we have been wicked.”


Footnote for 21:96: By the year 2270 AD, thanks to God’s mathematical miracle in the Quran (Appendix 1), America will be the heart of Islam, and billions around the globe will have believed in the Quran (9:33, 41:53, 48:28, 61:9). Gog and Magog (allegorical names of villainous communities), will be the only bastions of heathenism, and they will attack the submitters. That is when the world will end (15:87, 18:94, Appendix 25). Gog and Magog are mentioned in 18:94 & 21:96, 17 verses before the end of each sura; this may indicate the time of their appearance.

One of the things I have noticed is that this person believes that anyone using the Hadiths and Sunnah’s are wrong and that the Quran spoke against it. He uses scripture that I thought was suppose to refer to non-Muslims. At least that is the way it was told to me, but it was told to me by Islamists so who knows. Some of his explanations on why he only uses the Quran seem to make sense. I also know that there are many different sects in Islam, and many different views as you will see. Suffice to say, he is not alone in his interpretations, there are others who use only the Quran. We will get into his number theory in the future.

This guy sees that all religion should be allowed to be freely worshiped, others obviously do not. And one in particular feels that everyone who isn’t Muslim is possibly Gog and Magog, we will be getting to his stuff.

The person who wrote this also said; “USA as a society and as a nation practices God’s laws as laid out in the Quran, more so, than any other nation in the world. He follows that comment with those great words from the pledge, One Nation, Under God, Indivisible, With Liberty And Justice For All. So you see, as I have said over and over, not all Muslims think alike. Anyway, moving on to the next concept of Gog Magog. Too bad more don’t think like these 2.

One more thing, I want to set the record straight on a couple of things. #1 Christians are NOT polytheist which is the standard theme in Islam. #2 I really want Muslims to understand one simple fact, just because the west is considered Christian, does not mean that all Westerners are Christian. In Muslim nations the majority of people are Muslim, their nation revolves around the religion for the most part. Most people attend mosque, most people pray 5 times a day, most people follow the pillars. So, because of that, most Muslims who live in Muslim nations seem to think that Christian nations do the same thing in regards to Christianity…THEY DON’T. There are a number of Christians for sure, but not all are devout or follow the same beliefs as the other. Please keep this in mind before you lump all Westerners in the same basket!! And the same goes for Westerners.

http://www.submission.org/suras/app25.html
http://www.submission.org/miracle/
http://www.submission.org/islam/usa.html

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9 Responses to “Gog and Magog and The Differing Views Amongst Muslims”

  1. salahudin Says:

    ahahhahahah can i use that image!???

  2. salahudin Says:

    “We will get into his number theory in the future.”

    LOL… rashadiites. their own translation of the quran has been proven to be incorrect. i’ve run in to these kids before… they’re silly… but definitely diet muslims. i’d be careful though because they have their OWN eccentricities! by careful i mean, don’t expect them to be rational all the time.

  3. salahudin Says:

    “#1 Christians are NOT polytheist which is the standard theme in Islam.”

    Christians are not strict monotheists the way muslims are… surely you have to concede that…

  4. Eagle Says:

    I pick that picture just for you, so yeah you can use it.

    Are all Muslims who only look at the Quran, Rashadiites??

    For the most part yes Christians are monotheists some pray to Mary, I don’t nor do I believe they should. I don’t believe that so much adoration should be placed upon the Pope either. The Bible teaches on all these things, and I could give you scripture, but I will have to search it out. But most Christians believe in only One God, and most only pray to that One God.

  5. Stefan Says:

    mmmmm..

    i would like to say something here,
    i believe that no one will be judged according to the name of religion written on his Id card. believing in one god was regarded as the most basic belief of the Abrahamic religion and its true that most Christians believe in only One God.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monothiest

    “USA as a society and as a nation practices God’s laws as laid out in the Quran”

    Its true that God’s laws in the Quran are simple and the Arab societies are practicing different kinds of laws especially the societies that are considered religious .

    Creating partners to God was a trap for all the people and not only Christians, believing that all Christians are polytheist is illogical.

    Henotheism is a wrong principle and i think that creating barriers between the people according to their religion can be considered as a form of polytheism because you are accepting multiple forms of God and unfortunately its another trick to give the people the excuse to fight each other to please their “Gods”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henotheism

    “And one in particular feels that everyone who isn’t Muslim is possibly Gog and Magog”

    Some might say “I believe in the Quran and Appendix 25”

    not again !!

    please see
    http://abdallah7219.blogster.com/meeting_rashad_khalifa.html

    peace 🙂

  6. Eagle Says:

    Stefan,

    Thanks I always like it when you comment. It’s good to see someone who is intelligent and open minded. In my dealings with Muslim (mainly radicals so they don’t really count), I don’t incounter many who think like you, too bad we can’t all be open minded. Don’t get me wrong, I have many Muslim friends, but none that are as opened minded and vocal on it. I trully enjoy talking with you. 😀

    Do you believe in the number 19 theory?? I thought the Quran taught the same thing the Bible did, that you will not know the day or the hour…

    God Bless and thanks for all you do to teach peace 😀

  7. Umm Maryam Says:

    Salaams,
    Well Eagle! I was doing a google search on Gog and Magog and I found this other site of yours! lol..I am sure you told me about this a while back. Anywho, Interesting topic. I am doing a lot of research myself.
    As far as I am concerned Allah has stated “hour Known to God alone, Quran 33:63, 67:26, 79:42-46. so those people who claim to know exactly when the day of Judgement will come are liars.

  8. Eagle Says:

    Umm Maryam,

    That is what the Christian Bible says as well. 😀 And welcome to this blog!!

  9. Stefan Says:

    Thanks Eagle, for always encouraging me to comment.

    “Do you believe in the number 19 theory??”

    as a mathematical structure and not as a new doctrine.

    it won’t add new beliefs.

    The calculations of Rashad are not accurate and its too much for a regular human being to chk after him.

    Sura 74 explains the purpose of the number 19 theory

    The rejector will say

    So he said: “This is nothing but the magic of old.”
    “This is nothing but the words of a human.” 74:24-25

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=74&vid=25

    The answer was

    “Upon it is nineteen.”
    “And We have made the guardians of the Fire to be Angels; and We did not make their number except as a test for those who have rejected, so that
    1-those who were given the Scripture would understand, and 2-those who have faith would be increased in faith, and so that 3-those who have been given the Scripture and the believers do not have doubt, and so that
    4-those who have a sickness in their hearts and the rejectors would Say: “What did God mean with an example such as this?” It is such that God misguides whom He wishes, and He guides whom He wishes. And none know your Lord’s soldiers except Him. And it is but a reminder for mankind.”74:30-31

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=74&vid=31

    Again the rejector will say “What did God mean with an example such as this?”

    The purpose of the number 19 is described: to remove all doubts regarding the authenticity of the Quran, to increase the faith of the believers.

    However, the implication of this number as a proof for the authenticity of the Quran remained unknown for centuries. For fourteen centuries, the commentators tried in vain to understand the function and fulfillment of the number 19.

    Rashad Khalifa as human being figured out the link between verse 74:30 “Upon it is nineteen.” and the structure of the book as a whole.

    The true believers will take heed and will abide by the role given by God for the number 19. In Sura 74, God tells us that the number 19 is employed specifically to prove the divinity of the book as opposed to those who claimed that the Quran is man-made (74:25).

    Indeed the meanings of the Quran is IN THE QURAN ….. it is not in personal calculations worked out by employing non-Quranic data to prove non-Quranic issues!

    For all those who employ the number 19 to prove claims, assumptions and numbers that are not Quranic based, they will indeed obtain many numerical calculations that may look impressive, but they are not unique … they can be duplicated …. and therefore, by definition, they are not signs from God.

    I had too much to say about this topic so i’m sorry, couldn’t limit my reply.

    God Bless and thanks 🙂


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