No Compulsion…As Long As You Believe Like Me

As we are going into Thanksgiving and I am very busy during this time of the year; I was afraid I wouldn’t be able to get at least 3 posts out this week. I won’t be putting up one on the topic I am currently working on however I found this on my friends blog.  We will get back to the other series the first of the week (hopefully).  But this post and the next one is just as informative and interesting as the series we are in, so I really want everyone to read it and the next one.

This article is written by Ahmed Mansour, and tells you some of the beliefs of these people who are being persecuted for not believing the same way as the powers that be.  I am printing it in it’s entirety here, but you can also find it here. Again, thank you Stefan for printing great stuff that I can share with others. I thought it was very interesting and worthwhile reading for all. Since I have 5 blogs, what better way to get this out there.  There is a part 2 to this which I will put up by Friday or Saturday.  Actually I think this post should be the second part, but I am putting it up first.

Again remember there is no compulsion in Islam… as long as you worship and/or believe the way your told. Anything else is subject to discrimination, jail, or death. Even if, or rather, especially if, you are a Muslim in a Muslim nation. In the early 1990’s, I was invited by the Egyptian association for religious brotherhood to lecture in a church in Cairo to Muslims and Christians about tolerance. I was warned that there was a suspicious bearded man waiting for me in front of the church.We talked. He told me that he had spent two months trying to meet me. He told me that he had been a member of secret fanatic organization and was assigned to rebut my discourse, but that my words had changed his and his family’s life. He asked me to join my weekly Friday prayer meeting at my home, and if possible bring his family.

After a month they became Quranists.

Who are the Quranists?

The Quranists are intellectual Muslims who believe in Islam as the religion of freedom, democracy, tolerance, justice, peace and human rights. They fight the terrorists’ culture from within Islam, using Quran as the only source of legislation.

Why they are persecuted?

The Quranic movement started in 1979 by sincere Muslim scholars who specialized in the contradiction between the true Islam and the Culture of Muslims. Therefore they were victimized by terrorists and fanatic scholars.
Being activists for human rights and democracy, and calling for peaceful reform from within Islam, the Quranists are also victimized by the Egyptian regime.

The Egyptian regime and Muslim Brothers are against each other but are usually united against Quranists.

Brief overview of the persecution of Quranists:

The Quranists have suffered three waves of arrest; in 1987, 2000-2001, and finally the third wave starting May 28th, 2007, when five of the Quranists were arrested, tortured for 37 days, interrogated, and suffered ridiculous accusations about their faith and prayers.

Their families were also persecuted in Egypt. Some moved to Upper Egypt and some stayed indoors. The Muslim Brothers used mosques, media and the education system, as well as their control of the streets to try to tarnish the Quranists as ardent enemies of Islam.

After the Egyptian regime officially accused the Quranists of insulting Islam, fanatics used the accusation to call for the Quranists’ death.

The five Quranists have been released in October 6, 2007, after more than four months in prison. Because of torture, my brother Abdellateef had to undergo surgery in his ear. Amr Tharwat needed surgery on his leg, while Ahmed Dahmash has damage in his backbone. The persecution continues. Every week, they must go to the same prison to be interrogated and humiliated by the security services. Any time they may be arrested and tortured again. They are ordered to pray the weekly Friday prayer in fanatic mosques, and are not allowed to contact me, or to write in our site.

In this way he Egyptian regime is seeking to make an example for the rest and keep the Quranists from continuing their reform movement.

Persecution in some detail:

As an assistant professor at Al-Azhar University, the oldest and most famous religious university in the Sunni Muslim world, I wrote five books in 1985 to reform Sunni religious life.. I was accused of being against Islam because I denied the intercession of the prophet Muhammad in the day of judgment, deny his infallibility, and deny that he is the best and the master of all the prophets. In March 1987, I was fired.In November 1987, I was arrested, along with 24 of my followers, and accused of being a denier of the Sunna, the sayings and the deeds of the prophet Muhammad. The government claimed that my writing were a call for Muslims to abandon Islam. After two months I was released.

To save my life, I escaped to the United States. When I returned to Egypt in October 1988 I was again arrested, and released after two days on the condition that I not defend myself whenever the fanatics of Al Azhar attacked me. In the period 1988-1995, I was attacked so severely, and received death threats so that I asked for court protection. From January 1996 until June 2000 I worked at the Ibn Khaldun Center as a Muslim scholar and moderator of the Center’s weekly forum. The Center is run by Dr. Saad Eddin Ibrahim, the famous sociologist, and leader of the movement for human rights, civil society and liberal culture in the Arab world. As an American citizen and part-time counselor of President Mubarak, Dr. Ibrahim has had great influence in Egypt in the 1990s.

My life was in real danger after I wrote a book as a project for the Center on reforming the Egyptian education system to make it more tolerant. I was severely attacked in the Egyptian parliament.

As a result of problems between Dr. Ibrahim and President Mubarak, Dr. Ibrahim was arrested in June 2000 and the Center shut down. Since I was in serious danger, and some of my relatives had been arrested, I contacted and explained the situation to officials in the US embassy.

The security service kept us constantly in a state of terror. They arrested more members of my family in my village. Finally they arrested some of my friends who used to attend my weekly prayer at home. One told me that he expected them to arrest both of us along with more of my relatives. He said they would as usual force my friends to make false accusations about me and so I fled to the US on October, 15, 2001. (This is reviewed in the U. S Department of State’s 2002 International Religious Freedom Report)

Since coming to the U.S, I have found the same Wahabi influence, and founded the International Quranic Center, with a website, to organize Quranists.

So, we suffer the third wave of arrest.

For more details: 

How could the Quranists help the U.S in this war of ideas against the terrorists?

The war against terrorism is 90% war of ideas. This intellectual war has its unique aspects and rules. The Quranists are an Islamic group capable of defending the U.S in this ideological war against terrorism. Al Qaeda and all the terrorist organizations have real power in the war of ideas.

But they cannot debate us with logic and evidence, so they resort to brute force, with government accomplices. So we are jailed, tortured, driven from out homes and made refugees in other countries. They issue fatwas calling for our death; thus proving once more that the Wahabi ideology cannot stand on its own feet, but requires the power of authorities to force it on people.

The only way to confront and defeat Wahabis is by using our ways and methods. We are Muslims, sincere about our faith and very much attached to and adhered to the Quran, and for the past thirty years, we never wavered, never retreated, we stood alone and stood firm, and despite the persecution and the lack of means, we managed to succeed in producing a genuine change in the Islamic interpretation and practices among many Muslims.

In conclusion, despite many successes, we are still victims of the Wahabi ideology and persecution of a tyrannical regime in Egypt on one hand, and a total neglect and disregard from the American institutions on the other hand.

See :

Egyptian Human Rights Activist Saad Eddin Ibrahim Defies Threats, Arrests to Challenge U.S.-Backed Mubarak Government

And my next post, if you just can’t wait.  Or rather my copy/paste of Stefan’s post lol.  Oh well, it is a holiday after all. 

The Mahdi Hadiths 2

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Remember I said that not everyone gives the same credit for every Hadith, below are ones that their authenticity is in question. That according to at least one Muslim. The same applies here, as in yesterdays post, after each Hadith is where they can be found and who said it. Remember that they are saying that Muhammad said these things.

The world will not come to an end until a man from my family (ahl al-bayt), who will be called al-Mahdi, emerges to rule upon my community. (Bihar al-anwar, Vol. 51, P. 75; Ithbat al-hudat, Vol. 1, P. 9)(Mahdi will be among my progeny, among the children of Fatima. (Bihar al-anwar, Vol. 51, P. 75) Umme Salmah

The world will not come to an end until a man from the descendants of Hussain takes charge of the affairs of the world and fills it with justice and equity as it is filled with injustice and tyranny. (Bihar al-anwar, Vol. 51, P. 66)

The earth will be filled with injustice and corruption. At that time, a man from among my progeny will rise and will rule for seven or nine years and will fill the earth with justice and equity. (Ahmad b. Hanbal, Musnad, Vol. 3, P. 27) Abu Sa’id al-Khudari

Listen to the good news about the Mahdi! He will rise at the time when people will be faced with severe conflict and the earth will be hit by a violent quake. He will fill the earth with justice and equity as it is filled with injustice and tyranny. He will fill the hearts of his followers with devotion and will spread justice everywhere. (Bihar al-anwar, Vol. 51, P. 74) Abu al-Hujaf

“Is Mahdi going to be among our own family or from some other?” He replied: “He will be among us. God will conclude His religion through him, just as He began it with us. It will be through us that people will find refuge from sedition, just as it was through us that they were saved from polytheism. Moreover, it will be through us that God will bring their hearts together in brotherhood following the animosity sown by the sedition, just as they were brought together in brotherhood in their religion after the animosity sown by polytheism.” (Bihar al-anwar, Vol. 51, P. 84; Ithbat al-hudat, Vol. 7, P. 191; Majma` al-zawa’id by `Ali b. Abi Bakr Haythami (Cairo edition), Vol. 7, P. 317) Ali b. Abi Talib

The Mahdi from among my descendants, from my family, will rise at the End of Time, while the heavens will pour rain and the earth will bring forth green grass for him. He will fill the earth with justice and equity as it is filled with tyranny and injustice. (Bihar al-anwar, Vol. 51, P. 74; Ithbat al-hudat, Vol. 7, P. 9)

Severe calamity from the direction of their ruler will befall my people during the Last Days. It will be a calamity which, in severity, shall be unprecedented. It will be so violent that the earth with injustice and corruption will shrivel for its inhabitants. The believers will not find refuge from oppression. At that time God will send a man from my family to fill the earth with justice and equity just as it is filled with injustice and tyranny. The dwellers of the heavens and the earth will be pleased with him. The earth will bring forth all that grows for him, and the heavens will pour down rains in abundance. He will live among the people for seven or nine years. From all the good that God will bestow on the inhabitants of the earth, the dead will wish to come to life again. (Ibn Hajar, al-Sawa’iq al-muharriqa, P. 161; Yanabi’ al-mawadda, Vol. 2, P. 177) Abu Sa’id al-Khudari

People will pay allegiance to the Mahdi between rukn and maqam (in Mekkah). (Ibn Tawus, Kitab al-malahim wa al-fitan, P. 64.)  Abu Hurayra

The following is sayings not attributed to Muhammad but are 2nd hand accounts attributed to companions of Muhammad. I thought that is what the other stuff we have covered is.  Basically it is one person saying that he heard Muhammad say this or that, or a person heard a companion of Muhammad say this or that.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that basically what the Hadiths are??  Anyway, if not all of these are given the same amount of weight…the question is why.  At least where I found these, they were called, ‘unreliable’.  That is a pretty strong word, why would you believe in it, if you consider it unreliable?

At the time when Nafs al-Zakiyya is killed a caller from the heaven will say: ‘Your commander is so-and-so.’ (announce Mahdi) Following it the Mahdi will emerge and fill the earth with justice and equity. (Ibn Tawus, Kitab al-malahim wa al-fitan, P. 179) Ammar Yasir 

Abd Allah b. Umar mentioned the name of Mahdi in the presence of an Arab who said: Mahdi is Mu’awiya b. Abu Sufyan. Abd Allah said:
It is not as you say. Mahdi is a person behind whom Jesus will offer his prayers. (Ibn Tawus, Kitab al-malahim wa al-fitan, P. 179) 

One of the Prophet’s companions told me that the Mahdi will not appear until that time when Nafs al-Zakiyya will be killed. At that time he will take the command and will fill the earth with justice and equity. (Ibn Tawus, Kitab al-malahim wa al-fitan, P. 171)  Mujahid

Nufayl’s daughter Umayra narrates that she heard Hasan b. Ali’s daughter saying:  This affair about which you are waiting will not occur until among you some seek to distance themselves from the others and curse each other.  (Majlisi, Bihar al-anwar, Vol. 52, P. 211)  ((Well in my limited view of what I have seen in different Muslim forums and on different blogs, that is happening.))

Salma b. Zafar reports that one day people were talking about the appearance of the Mahdi in the presence of Hudhayfa. Hudhayfa said: If Mahdi has indeed appeared while you are living close to the Prophet’s period and while his companions are living among you, then you are truly fortunate. However, that is not the case. Mahdi will not appear until people are devoured by oppression and tyranny and there is no one absent more beloved and more needed than him. (Kitab al-hawi li al-fatawa, Vol. 2, P. 159)

What is next is some stuff that is considered false and rejected by Muslim scholars evidently for centuries.  It is said that none of it is attributed to Muhammad.

Amr son of Shamer quoted Jabir, who quoted Mohammed bin Ali to have said: For our Mahdi, there are two signs. Since the birth of Universe, these events have never taken place. Those two signs are that there will be Lunar Eclipse on the first night of Ramadhan and Solar Eclipse in the middle of Ramadhan. (Dar-e-Qatni, Vol. 1, P.188)

That last one, could have fooled me, every Shiite site I have been to, talks about this as if it were fact.  That is why every Ramadan we hear from Ahmadnutjob.  Seeing that saying and what was said about it, leads me to believe that maybe the person who listed all these Hadiths was a Sunni, but I don’t know for sure.  Also, I have written a whole lot of stuff that the Shiites say will happen, how many of those things are listed in todays or yesterdays post??  Why are they missing??  Is it merely because the person writing this is not Shia??  I have no clue, I am merely telling you what is being said and reported as prophecy within Islam in regards to the Mahdi.

Obviously not all Christians believe in the rapture and I even saw at least one book dedicated to shooting down that part of Christianity that many Christians believe, including myself.  When it comes to the in’s and out’s of the different beliefs of different Muslim sects, I will have to rely on Muslims to answer my questions… so come on guys, I know for fact I have several Muslim friends, which encompass Sunni, Shiite, Sufi, and Quran alone.  So far, only my Sunni friend and my Quran alone friend has commented on these posts.  Am I shamming you into commenting yet??    

WOW, I managed to write a post under 2500 words even under 1500, wonders never cease   let’s call it a night.  Till next time  .

The Mahdi in Sunni Hadiths 1

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We have talked a lot about many beliefs of Shia Muslims, with at least some Sunni beliefs mixed in. In this post I want to write what some have said are the Sunni hadiths in regards to the Mahdi. I say, “what some have said”, for a reason, since I found numerous beliefs in regards to Shiites, I didn’t want to say that “this is for sure”, in Sunni beliefs. It should be also noted that it appears that it was a Shia Muslims who wrote the article, as you can see from the first sentence.

In spite of the most unfavorable conditions under the Umayyads and the `Abbasids, whose politics and oppressive governments did not allow the discussion or the spread of hadith about wilayat and imamat and the ahl al-bayt or their being recorded in the books of the hadith, they are not completely void of any traditions on the subject of the Mahdi.For example, the following:

‘Abd Allah reports from the Prophet, who said:

“The world will not come to pass until a man from among my family, whose name will be my name, rules over the Arabs.”

Tirmidhi has recorded this hadith in his Sahih and comments:

“This hadith on the Mahdi is reliable, and has been related by ‘Ali b. Abi Talib, Abu Sa’id, Umm Salma and Abu Hurayra”:

‘Ali b. Abi Talib has narrated from the Prophet, who said:

“Even if there remains only a day on earth, God will bring forth a man from my progeny so that he will fill the earth with justice and equity as it is filled with tyranny.”

In another hadith Umm Salma narrates that she heard the Prophet say:

“The promised Mahdi will be among my progeny, among the descendants of Fatima.”

Abu Sa’id al-Khudari says:

The Prophet said: “Our Mahdi will have a broad forehead and a pointed nose. He will fill the earth with justice as it is filled with injustice and tyranny. He will rule for seven years.”((don’t jump the gun here, we will get to it))

‘Ali b. Abi Talib has related a tradition from the Prophet who informed him:

The promised Mahdi will be among my family. God will make the provisions for his emergence within a single night.

Abu Sa’id al-Khudari has related a tradition from the Prophet who declared:

The earth will be filled with injustice and corruption. At that time, a man from among my progeny will rise and will rule for seven or nine years and will fill the earth with justice and equity. ((there’s that 7 year thing again, which we will get too))

Greater detail is provided in another hadith reported by Abu Sa’id al-Khudari. In this tradition the Prophet said:

Severe calamity from the direction of their ruler will befall my people during the Last Days. It will be a calamity which, in severity, shall be unprecedented. It will be so violent that the earth with injustice and corruption will shrivel for its inhabitants. The believers will not find refuge from oppression. At that time God will send a man from my family to fill the earth with justice and equity just as it is filled with injustice and tyranny. The dwellers of the heavens and the earth will be pleased with him. The earth will bring forth all that grows for him, and the heavens will pour down rains in abundance. He will live among the people for seven or nine years. From all the good that God will bestow on the inhabitants of the earth, the dead will wish to come to life again.

There are numerous traditions that convey these meanings.

Sahihs Of Moslem and bukhari

To be sure, the Sahihs of Muslim and Bukhari, whose authority is accepted by all the Sunnis, are not completely devoid of traditions about the Mahdi, although the term mahdi has not been used to express this belief among Muslims. Following is one such hadith:

It is reported from Abu Hurayra that the Prophet said: “What will be your reaction when the son of Mary descends and your Imam is among yourselves?”

There are a number of other traditions on a similar theme in these two compilations. It is also important to bear in mind that Ibn Khaldun has neither totally falsified all the traditions about the Mahdi, nor has he claimed that he does not accept them. The context of Ibn Khaldun’s remark about these traditions is provided by his opening statement in this section when he says:

It has been well known (and generally accepted) by all Muslims in every epoch, that at the end of time a man from the family (of the Prophet) will without fail make his appearance, who will strengthen Islam and make justice triumph. Muslims will follow him, and he will gain domination over the Muslim realm. He will be called the Mahdi.

It is evident that he has briefly accepted the fact that the belief in the awaited Mahdi is common among Muslims. Moreover, after his critical evaluation of the traditions and their transmitters he concludes the discussion with the following observation:

This is the situation of the traditions about the awaited Mahdi. It has been seen in the books that, with the exception of very few, most of these traditions are regarded as unreliable.

Hence, even at this point he has not rejected all the traditions on the subject. Rather, as he confesses, some of them are authentic.

Furthermore, it is relevant to point out that the traditions on the subject of the Mahdi are not confined only to those mentioned and critically evaluated by Ibn Khaldun. Quite to the contrary, most of the books on hadith, both by the Sunnis and the Shi`ites, narrate traditions in an unbroken chain of transmission which actually comes close to their verification as being credible. Had Ibn Khaldun known about the existence of all these traditions, he would have probably regarded the belief in the Mahdi as deeply rooted in the Islamic revelation.

To conclude this discussion, we can say that it is incorrect to maintain, as some scholars do, that Ibn Khaldun rejected the tradition about the Mahdi. On the contrary, it is these authors who have read into Ibn Khaldun such an opinion.

Since even writing using code, is not showing the right quotes and unquotes, here is where the quotes end, they will begin again after the next sentence.

I stole this comment from somebody elses blog. It does a good job of breaking down the differences of opinion.

A minor point of clarification is warranted here concerning Shi’ite Islam. Shi’a is Arabic for “party”, and here it refers to the party of followers of ‘Ali. ‘Ali was the 4th Caliph after Muhammad ruled 656-661 AD, and he was related to the Prophet both as a cousin and then as the son-in-law of the Prophet. He was assassinated in 661. ‘Ali is regarded by the Shi’a as the rightful successor to the Prophet (meaning the three intervening caliphs were not regarded as true leaders of the community).

The Shi’a are distinguished from the majority of Muslims (i.e. 90% of the world of Islam is Sunni; about 8% are Shi’a) over the question of succession re ‘Ali, and on quesions of law and authority. Where Suni and Shi’a differ in law covers matters about marriage and inheritance rights; in matters of ritual the Shi’a have a slight difference in their Call to Prayer. In authority they have a political view of the Imam as head or leader that differs from Sunni views of the Caliphate.

Now Shi’a Islam is not uniform but consists of three main branches.

1. The Ithna ‘Asharis or Twelver Shi’ites (you have referred to above).
2. The Isma’ilis (acknowledge seven early Imams).
3. The Zaydis (Zaydiyya).

The Ithna ‘Asharis – those committed to the Twelve Imams – are those found primarily in Iran and 50% of the population of Iraq.

The Zaydis are largely found in the Yemen. The Isma’ilis are present in many places but especially in East Africa, and throughout the Indian subcontinent.

Both Sunni and Shi’a Muslims have an eschatology related to the Mahdi (“one who is rightly guided”). However the Shi’a position is connected with their understanding of the hidden twelfth Imam who is to return.

It should also be noted (separate to the Shi’a view of the Mahdi) that Jesus (known as ‘Isa) is viewed in early eschatological hadiths as the one who will return at the end of time to oppose the antiChrist figure al-Dajjal (Father of Lies). There are a few suras that also imply a 2nd coming at the end (Surah 4:159; 19:33)

Again, quotes end here.

As I have said, most Sunni’s and Shia’s disagree on who is correct. Some are violent about their disagreement, as we have seen. Below is a collection of Hadith’s, which talk about, or prophesied of, the Mahdi. If I repeat myself, I’m sorry, I’m just trying to get it all in.

I would suggest that if you don’t understand a word you can go to Wikipedia, or you can try here. In addition to that, you can go here and here to get a list of different translations of different verses of the Quran.

One of the things I have seen, which drives me nuts, is fifteen different names for the same person or thing. I don’t understand why, when talking about a certain person or subject they can’t all get on the same page and use the most common name for the subject or person at hand.

I will leave it to the Muslim readers to determine if these are in line with Sunni beliefs, Shiite beliefs or both. Unless other wise noted, each Hadith/statement, is listed as the person giving the Hadith, that prophet Mohammad said it. Did that make any sense??

The world will not come to pass until a man from among my family, whose name will be my name, rules over the Arabs. (Tirmidhi Sahih, Vol. 9, P. 74; Abu Dawud, Sahih, Vol. 5, P. 207; also narrated by Ali b. Abi Talib, Abu Sa’id, Umm Salma, Abu Hurayra) Hadhrat Abdullah bin Masood reports from the Prophet.

Allah will bring out from concealment al-Mahdi from my family and just before the day of Judgment; even if only one day were to remain in the life of the world, and he will spread on this earth justice and equity and will eradicate tyranny and oppression. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Vol. 1, P. 99) Said Muhammad

Even if only a day remains for Qiyamah to come, yet Allah will surely send a man from my family who will fill this world with such justice and fairness, just as it initially was filled with oppression. (Abu Dawood) Hadhrat Ali

The promised Mahdi will be among my family. God will make the provisions for his emergence within a single night. (Ibn Majah, Sahih, Vol. 2, P. 519) Ali b. Abi Talib

The promised Mahdi will be among my progeny, among the descendants of Fatima. (Abu Dawud, Sahih, Vol. 2, P. 207; Ibn Majah, Sahih, Vol. 2, P. 519) Hazrat Umme Salmah wife of Muhammad

The Mahdi will be of my family, of the descendants of Fatima (the Prophet’s daughter). (Sunan Ibn Majah, Vol. 2, Tradition No. 4086) Muhammad

Al-Mahdi is one of us, the members of the household (Ahlul-Bayt). (Sunan Ibn Majah, Vol. 2, Tradition No. 4085)

Our Mahdi will have a broad forehead and a pointed (prominent) nose. He will fill the earth with justice as it is filled with injustice and tyranny. He will rule for seven years. (Abu Dawud, Sahih, Vol. 2, p. 208; Fusul al-muhimma, p. 275) Abu Sa’id al-Khudari ((I found this one interesting, since Christians have their own 7 year period, which we will get into.))

Al Mahdi will be from my progeny. His forehead will be broad and his nose will be high. He will fill the world with justice and fairness at a time when the world will be filled with oppression. He will rule for seven years. Hadhrat Abu Saeed KhudriAfter the death of a Ruler there will be some dispute between the people. At that time a citizen of Madina will flee (from Madina) and go to Makkah. While in Makkah, certain people will approach him between Hajrul Aswad and Maqaame Ibraheem, and forcefully pledge their allegiance to him.

Thereafter a huge army will proceed from Syria to attack him but when they will be at Baida, which is between Makkah and Madina, they will be swallowed into the ground.

On seeing this, the Abdaals of Shaam as well as large numbers of people from Iraq will come to him and pledge their allegiance to him. Then a person from the Quraish, whose uncle will be from the Bani Kalb tribe will send an army to attack him, only to be overpowered, by the will of Allah. This (defeated) army will be that of the Bani Kalb. Unfortunate indeed is he who does not receive a share from the booty of the Kalb. This person (Imam Mahdi) will distribute the spoils of war after the battle. He will lead the people according to the Sunnat and during his reign Islam will spread throughout the world. He will remain till seven years (since his emergence). He will pass away and the Muslims will perform his Janazah salaat. (Abu Dawood) Hadhrat Umme Salmah

A group of my Ummah will fight for the truth until near the day of judgment when Jesus, the son of Marry, will descend, and the leader of them will ask him to lead the prayer, but Jesus declines, saying: “No, Verily, among you Allah has made leaders for others and He has bestowed his bounty upon them. (Sahih Muslim)

What will be your reaction when the son of Mary (Jesus) descends and your Imam is from among yourselves? (Sahih Muslim, bab nuzul ‘isa, Vol. 2; Sahih Bukhari, kitab bad’ al-khalq wa nuzul ‘isa, Vol. 4) Abu Hurayra

What would be your situation if the Son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends upon you and your Imam is from among you? (Bukhari, kitabul-Anbiya, Chapter Nuzul Isa bin Maryam)

I read that these were widely accepted amongst Muslims, I won’t go that far, because I don’t know if all sects believe these, remember Shia have different Hadiths than Sunni. Again I would ask my Muslim readers to answer that for us. Actually you guys are falling down on the job, I have asked numerous questions and with the exception of a couple on my other blog, I’m not getting much. And I know that at I have Muslim readers on at least one of my blogs, you know who you are, can you help me out here please .

Since this post is getting long, tomorrow (or the day after) I will put up the Hadiths that are in question. I will also put up the ones that say in effect, I heard it from a guy who was a friend of a companion of the prophet Muhammad, or something to that effect. As I said, not everything is given the same weight.  And, as you have noticed there are repeats here, the same as there are repeats within the Gospels.

Oh, and I want to apologize for those of you who are attempting to pluck out your eyes at the sight of the above photo but it is halloween after all  .

Women with Mustache 2

I wasn’t going to do this, but I changed my mind. As a continuation from yesterday’s post, as I said, there was some talk about the Sunni’s and their traditions and beliefs about Imam Mahdi. We have already gone over a great deal of signs that is supposed to herald the day. Most of which, I believe were Shiite beliefs. Well the people on that thread got into talking about the Sunni beliefs….So I am going to post what they said.  They posted an article by `Isa Adam Naziri, which is below.

Contributed by `Isa Adam Naziri“At length, when the sight is dazed, and the moon is buried in darkness, and the sun and moon are joined together – the Day of That will Man say: ‘Where is the refuge?'” Al-Qur’an, Sura 75:7-9Allah gives a sign that Mahdi (atfs) will be among us when a double eclipse occurs in the month of Ramadan. Al-hamdulillah, this past Ramadan i was prompted to investigate the matter of when such an astronomical sign might occur. The information that i found revealed that this miraculous event is scheduled for Ramadan 2003.“It has been reported from Abu Jafar  that the event of the Mahdi’s appearance shall be attended by two clear signs which will carry with them the weight of ten strong signs. These are the solar and the lunar eclipses; and a similar sign has never happened ever since Adam came upon this planet.”
Notes: Ikmal al-Din, p. 361
Sunni hadith tells us the following: “Of our Mahdi there are two signs which have never taken place ever since the Earth and the Heaven came into existence. One is that in the month of Ramadan the moon shall be eclipsed on the first of its nights and the sun in the middle of its days; and such a sign has never occurred ever since the creation of the Earth and the Heaven.”

The specifications for the dating of the eclipses in the Sunni hadith however are erroneous, as the timing during the month of Ramadan that the Sunni version states is a physical impossibility. First of all the moon could not be told to be eclipsed on the first night, since it is virtually invisible then anyway. Even if it did eclipse then, this would be a fruitless sign since it is nearly invisible at that time anyway. An eclipse at that time of the month would be totally invisible. No human eye would be able to see this sign of the darkened moon of the first night, and yet it is given as the primary sign of the advent of the return of our Imam al-Mahdi (atfs).

These two phenomena of the lunar and solar eclipses will take place in a much different order. As the Sunni hadith says it, with the solar eclipse occurring in mid-month, this would require the moon to suddenly double its speed of movement after the onset of the month! To believe not only that the moon would suddenly double its speed after the onset of the month is unreasonable enough in itself. However, coupled with the fact that a lunar eclipse on the first night of Ramadan would be physically impossible to see, we must conclude that the Sunni version of this Hadith is unreasonable and the portion of it refering to the dates in the month of the eclipse must be rejected as plainly unscientific and unreasonable. Imam `Ali Riza  tells us that we must understand Islam through reason:

“The greatest of miracles of Allah is the human mind. It allows ideas to be thought through and reasoned out. Islam appeals to human reason. Man must accept Allah through reason and not through miracles.”

So, following in the study of astronomy that Imam Sadiq  also studied and taught, it is unreasonable to imagine that the Sunni scheduling of these eclipses will occur in the order said. As well, since Imam Baqir  mentions this sign yet make no mention of the dates of the eclipses in their relationship to the month itself, then we must accept only that the sign is that of the double eclipse during the Holy month of Ramadan.

The miraculous Double Eclipse is scheduled for November the 9th and November 23rd of 2003. Ramadan of 2003 is scheduled for approximately the 27th of October to approximately the 27th of November. Ramadan being a 30 day lunar period, both the eclipse of November the 9th and November the 23rd will fall in this Holy Month – al-hamdulillah! The November 9th Lunar eclipse will be visible from: Europe, South West Asia, Africa and America. The November 23rd Solar eclipse will be visible from Antarctica and the South Indian Ocean.

Notes on the double eclipse during the coming Ramadan of 2003: Bao-Lin Liu and A.D. Fiala, “Canon of Lunar Eclipses, 1500BC- AD3000”, 1992; Willmann-Bell Inc., Richmond, Virginia. Or: J. Meeus and H. Mucke, “Canon of Lunar Eclipses, -2002 to 2526”, 1983 (2nd edition); Astronomical Office, Vienna.

Eclipses may also be examined with computer software such as EclipseMaster, MoonTracker, SunTracker and AstroCalc; Zephyr Services, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. To help with this AstroCalc was modified to print out celestial positions of the Sun and Moon near each Ramadan (i.e. every 354.367 days). Occasions when the mid-Ramadan Full Moon or the Eid New Moon were close to the ecliptic plane could then be highlighted – demonstrating that this occurs every 22 or 23 Islamic years.

See also H. Mucke and J. Meeus, “Canon of Solar Eclipses, -2003 to +2526”, 1983; Astronomical Office, Vienna Websites that note the dates of these eclipses are:

The FAS Eclipse Page –

2003 The Year of Cold Eclipses: 4 central eclipses in one year! –

Yet still we are told that the Ummah will deny the signs of our Rabb, and will reject the Imam al-Mahdi (atfs) until such Great Tribulation arises that they are left with no alternative but to follow him. May Allah strengthen our Iman that we might have the eyes to see and the ears to hear the Truth that the Ruh speaks to the Ummah. May Allah hasten the Imam’s Return, and may Allah led all who read this to recognize the Imam Al-Mahdi (atfs) when the sign is given that he is among us! Take care, stay safe and write back soon. 

Did you get all that, can you see where I am going here??  How’s this, here is a sentence taken out of the article above: 

“The greatest of miracles of Allah is the human mind. It allows ideas to be thought through and reasoned out. Islam appeals to human reason. Man must accept Allah through reason and not through miracles.”

You read that, on the same page where they talk of a man, a normal man, giving lectures in two different places at once.  When we have gone over the signs preceeding the Mahdi we see all kinds of things that we wouldn’t normally think of as normal or in some cases even possible, like the Mahdi being 1200 years old.  I can only hope that as far as Islam is concerned, they take the reading of the signs, literally.  If so, it will save on war.  But I am afraid, that there are too many folks out there who would like to rush the issue.  Some think that God needs our ‘help’, which we will get in to in the future.

The post before last mentioned many things about the history and beliefs of Shiites.  Some of which I made small comments on.  I want to say this here, for those of you who are religious, regardless of what religion you follow.  I became a Christian when I was 16 years old.  I was always taught to never take somebodies word, for what the Bible says.  I was told to study it for myself, to verify with others my or someone else’s beliefs.  In other words, I believe in the Rapture, I was taught it in church, I also read about it in my Bible.  Not every Christian believes in the Rapture, but many do and their views go along with what I was taught and make sense within the contents of scripture.

Does that make sense to you??  You should never think that a person is infallible, none of us are without sin.  You see in the news all the time of people who have done really stupid things based on what their ‘spiritual leader’ told them to do.  If it doesn’t make sense to you, if it isn’t grounded, if others say something is wrong with it, then don’t blindly follow it.  May I suggest you look into this

The Women With Mustaches Who Will Kill The Mahdi 1

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When I saw this discussion I knew you would want to see it too, since we are on the subject of the Mahdi. It is completely out of order, I know, but couldn’t resist putting it up. It was taken from a Shiite chat room. At the bottom of the post will be some questions for my Muslim readers.


OK people, not sure about exactly what will happen after Imam Mehdi arrives, but it is said that Imam Mahdi will eventually be a shaheed. Imam Mehdi will be killed by a women with a moustache.
I have been told that Ayatollah Behjat has said that the women has been born few weeks ago. Can anyone confirm this? Ayatollah Behjat has a reputation of seeing the unknown, and has great respect.
Is the time coming near for the arrival?!?

Anyone with info reply to this post.


Ayatollah Behjat (HA) is among the Greatest ‘Urefa of our time.
As you progress towards Allah and become His intimate, He lifts the veils of Unseen and shares His secrets with you.
Once Ayatollah Behjat (HA) was delivering 2 lectures at the same time, at 2 different places !
What you speak of now, Once around 2-3 years ago or so, Ayatollah Behjat (HA) was giving a lecture to his students. Then he suddenly started to cry, the students got scared but were to embarrased to ask why. After the session one of his closest disciples stepped forth and asked why his master started to cry just like that, whereupon he answered that as he was teaching he had a vision where he saw a jewish girl who just had been born in Isfahan, who would be the killer of Imam Mahdi (A)


that happened like 3 or 4 years ago, not a few weeks ago. AndI that thing about the moustache is new. It might be true and it might be false.


i heard the mostache womans name will be MALIHA
where i live,ive seen women growing mostaches(sry if its the wrong spelling)


Can anyone elaborate? I havent heard that he will die


ive heard this prophesy alot for a long time……..her name will be Maliha(astaghfirrilha)


Yea i have heard that too…she would be a jew and her name would be either maliha or sa’eeda…And I am not sure , (Allah forgive me if I say something wrong) she would kill the imam after ruj’a..I have also heard that it would be a time when even iblees would have been defeated by imam-e-zaman and the rest of the imams, and she would be the only creature on earth….but again, I do not have any authentic source to support my point of view. And most shia ulema say that it is not wise to inquire about the details of what will happen after zahoor, because we dont know much…there are ahadith allright but we really dont know much details…

Answer#7 and in my opinion the smartest question asked….

even though Ayatollah Behjat (ha) is a very respected and noble man,i thought visions like these were only given to Prophets and Imams……..could any1 please shed light on this

I couldn’t find where that question was ever answered. The conversation took place in April of 2003. I am not putting it up to laugh, although it is somewhat amusing and we have been into some heavy stuff. But I have the same question that the last person gave. If we look at the definition of Prophecy it says it is the divine gift of speaking the truth, especially about the future. One who speaks prophecy is called a prophet. Now in Christianity there was never a ‘cut off’ on prophecy or messages from God, but in Islam, it is my understanding that that’s a different story all together. So if one of my Muslim readers can answer the question I would appreciate it. Especially if you are a Shiite Muslim.

The content of the conversation then went on to discuss the signs of the end times, which I am also putting up as some of them are different than the ones we have already gone over.

a.. Knowledge will finish in Najaf and the centre will move to Qum.Many ulema have been imprisoned and killed in Najaf. As a result, we
have seen in the past 100 years that the centre of ilm is moving
towards Qum.

b.. Baghdad will be extremely modern and will be full of vices and evils. As a result of this, an adhaab of a dark storm will be sent upon the people. It was mentioned on TV that Baghdad experienced such a dark storm, which covered the area for three days that nothing could be seen. It was a storm that broke a record of past decades.

c.. Earth shattering explosives will destroy Baghdad.d.. Destruction of Baghdad will come from air. Did that mean
e.. Baghdad will be occupied by people from different nations.
Today, Americans and Britons have occupied Baghdad.
f.. It has been narrated by Masoom that AlQaim (atfs) will not re appear till a seventh door has been made in The Masjid of Kufa.Masjid Al Kufa had 6 doors. Once Saddam went there and it was very crowded. 3 doors had been opened. He ordered for all 6 doors to be opened. Then he looked around and said that the wall in one area was very long without any door. He ordered a door to be put there. THUS, THE SEVENTH DOOR HAS ALREADY BEEN PUT THERE.

Want more ?

1. The Jews will reach a spot in Iraq (around Karbala it is) called Forat, I think it is a river (From jeum al-Khalas)

2. Sheikh Kurani has said that all the signs, except the 6 major which are bound to happen, have already happened, and we await the other ones to happen insh’Allah.

3. a Man from Qom will araise who will pull people to him like iron, and he will be the vanguard and bring back Islam on new (making it alive again) – Imam Khomeini ® perhaps?

4. A man by the Name of Seyyed Khorasani will battle against the Infidels for 7 years with 70’000 warriors, and then hand over the banner to Imam Mahdi (A). Imam Mahdi (A) will greet him and stretch forth his right hand to shake Seyyed Khorasani’s hand, but he will reply with the left, when poeple ask why they will be told his right hand is Shaheed…

Also I’ve heard his name is to be Ali Hossein or something…
(Rings a bell upon Imam Khamenei (HA), who is from Khorasani, his name is Ali Husseini al-Khamenei, and his Right Side and Hand is martyred becase of the assassination attempt by Munafeqine Khalq to blow him up).
Be prepared with the Sword of your Hearts, and lets do the Revolution before Imam Mahdi (A) comes, if you wish to be among his sincere devotees, as reliance on one man is wrong, rather we all have the Qaem within us, its about using this power and force and we can accomplish this ourselves.In Bihar Al Anwar(I Think), the hadith from our Imam says ” A man from our descendent(Sayyid) whose name will be similiar with the name of Prophet Isa(Jesus) will rise from Qum “Imam Khomeini(ra) First name was ROUHULLAH(Spirit of Allah)****
Prophet Jesus(as) was refered as ROUHULLAH(spirit of God) in the Holy Book

the author of ‘eqdud-durar’ in section one, chapter four narrates from ‘al-fatan’ of hafiz abu-abdullah na’eem-ibn-hemmad and he, from yazid-ibn-khalil asadi who said: ‘i was in the presence of imam muhammad baqir (a.s.). he mentioned two of the signs which would occur before the emergence of mahdi and which has not yet been witnessed (right from the time of fall of adam till now). one sign is this that there shall occur an eclipse of the sun on 15th of ramadhan and the moon too shall be eclipsed at the end of ramadhan.
a person said: ‘o son of messenger of Allah! it is not as you say. rather the sun will be eclipsed at the end of the month of ramadhan and the moon will be eclipsed during the middle of the month.
imam baqir (a.s.) said: the one who says these words is knowing better (than you) that right from the time of adam’s fall till today these two signs have not occurred…….

the author of es’aaf-ul-raghaben’ too has narrated the same tradition

sayed khorasani

the author of ‘eqdud-durar’ in chapter five narrates from hafiz abu abdullah na’eem – ibn -hemaad who narrates from sa’eed-ibn- musayyeb that the messenger of Allah (s.a.w.a.)said:

‘a person from bani-abbass shall emerge from the east and whatever Allah wishes will be established accordingly. afterwards, men with small black flags will rise and will battle out with the offsprings of abu sufyan. they will prepare the ground for the obedience and submission of the same chapter of the afore-said book, its author narrates from na’eem-ibn-hemaad (from his book ‘fatan’) that muhammad-ibn-hanafiya said: ‘the people of the flag will emerge from khorasan. afterwards people of another flag with white will rise. a man from bani-tamim called as tamim-ibn-saleh will face them…. it will be then that people would seek and desire for mahdi. again, in the same chapter of the same book, its author narrates from na’eem-ibn-hemaad and he from shareey-ibn-abdullah rashid-ibn-sa’ad and hamza-ibn-habib as such:‘the people of the east will swear allegiance to a person from bani-hashim who shall emerge with the army of khorasan. a man from bani-tamim will face them…. if mountains confront him, he will destroy them. later he will encounter the army of sufyani and will defeat them. fierce battle will take place with them and he will kill them. he will expel them from one place to another until he will defeat them in iraq. thereafter an incident shall occur between them as a result of which sufyani will gain victory and the hashimi man will escape towards mecca and tamim-ibn-saleh (who is one of the leaders of the army of hashimi) will escape towards baitul-muqaddas. when mahdi shall reappear, the hashimi man too will emerge.*Khorasan is Iran

I am terribly sorry for stealing this thread But here are signs of Zohoor of our Imam traditions have come down about the signs of mahdi’s emergence and the events which would occur before his uprising and the evidences which would be discovered before his emergence. they are as such:

(1) sufyani’s revolt,
(2) killing of hasani,
(3) discord amongst bani-abbass about possession of kingdom
(4) eclipse of the sun during mid-shaban
(5) unusual eclipse of the moon during the end of shaban contrary to astronomies calculations. the moon will not be eclipsed but during the thirteenth, fourteenth or fifteenth of the month. the moon will be eclipsed at the time when the sun and the moon would be facing each other in a special form.the eclipse of the sun will not occur but on the twenty-seventh, twenty-eight or twenty-ninth of the month. the sun will be eclipsed at the time when it comes close to the moon in a special form

(6) rising of the sun from the west,
(7) killing of seventy pious people (3) killing
(9) destruction of the wall of the mosque of kufa,
(10) advancement of the holders of black flags from khorasan
(11) yamani’s revolt
(12) maghrabi’s revolt in egypt and becoming the ruler of syri
(13) descencion of turks in an island
(14) the coming of romans in rumalah
(15) the rising of a star in the east which would be like a sparkling moon
(16) that star would bend and break into two in such a manner that they would come close to each other

(17) a redness will appear in the sky and it will cover its surrounding
(18) a fire would appear throughout the east and it would remain so for three or seven days
(19) arabs would set free their rein
(20) arabs would become owners of cities
(21) arabs would exit from the rule of iranian kings
(22) the inhabitants of egypt would kill their ruler and his commands
(23) syria would be destroyed and three flags will advance towards it
(24) the flags of qais and arab would advance towards egypt
(25) engraved flags would advance towards khorasan
(26) the entry of some arabs in the outskirts of hirah
(27) the coming of black flags from the east
(28) a split shall occur in euphrates as a result of which its water would flow on the roads of kura
(29) sixty liars will emerge where each of them will claim prophethood for themselves
(30) twelve persons from the progeny of abu-talib would revolt and each of them would claim imamate for themselves
(31) a dignified person from the followers of bani-abbass will get drowned near the bridge of karkh in baghdad
(32) a black wind will blow in baghdad
(33) an earthquake shall occur in baghdad where a greater portion of the city will collapse
(34) fear will encompass the inhabitants of iraq
(35) death will swiftly overtake the people of iraq
(36) the people of iraq will face deficience in their property and fruit
(37) locusts will appear during the normal season as well as during off-season and they will get attracted to plants and cereals
(38)the agriculture output of the people will be poor
(39) discord will arise amongst non-arabs and they will shed blood of one another
(40) slaves shall disobey their master and will kill them.

(41) after that, it would rain successively for twenty-four times. the earth would become alive after its death and would throw out its treasures. at that time, all types of calamities will be kept away from mahdi’s believers. at that moment they will realize that mahdi has emerged in mecca. as a result, they will move towards mecca for assisting hazrat and the same can be seen in the traditions.

I could go on, but that is enough for this post. Besides from here they went into how they must all learn to fight as they will be required to go to war with the Mahdi, which we will be getting to. How many different things can you find in regards to what we have already covered. Actually, it might be easier to find how many that do. Obviously we aren’t done with the series yet so there are plenty of things to go over, but we have pretty much covered the signs that lead to the coming of the Mahdi. There seems to be a fare bit of confusion at least within some Muslim circles.

The Shiite Muslims that were having this conversation made mention of the Sunni’s saying: “the sunni hadith seem to speak more of the coming of the dajjal. which relates to the coming of the Imam but they don’t seem to focus on the latter much (I guess that’s obvious, they barely know who to expect).”

I don’t mean to be too critical but it appears at least to me, that the Shiites don’t know what to expect either. Why else would there be so many different opinions?? I am a novice when it comes to Islam, but in my research for this series, I have seen plenty of contradiction within the same sects. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve also seen agreement, but something doesn’t smell right. Please Please Please, if there is a Shiite Muslim reading this, please comment and tell us your opinion. Also, any other Muslim, please give your opinion.

As I have already stated, there are those that rely, only on the Quran, and as far as one individual, I will be deadicating at least one post just for him.

I’m sorry these posts are so long, but since I am only putting the long ones up Monday Wednesday and Friday I guess you could read half on one day and the other half the next lol.

Imam Mahdi 2

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Since we are talking about the Mahdi and the differences between Sunni and Shiites, I found a article that may interest you. I will post part of it here, and put the link below. We will also go over some of the hadiths in regards to the Mahdi. It is interesting to note that in my research, I have found that Muslims often refer to different hadiths as strong or weak or in between. Which totally surprized me, I mean we have idiots out killing people over what they consider the Hadiths to say, but now I hear that even amongst Muslim they don’t give them all the same amount of weight.

I have a Muslim friend who sticks to the Quran and the Quran only. Sometime in the future, I will write about that and point you in his direction. Needless to say, I was fasinated with some of what he had to say, you may feel the same way. But for now, back to the subject at hand.

We already covered part of this yesterday, but I like the way this guy writes and I couldn’t leave out the stuff we already talked about, it would take away from his article.

I know these posts are long and involved, I just can’t see how to shorten them and get all the information in. When writing about Christianity, I write directly from what the Bible says about the end times, and my own beliefs. When writing about Islam’s belief’s, there is a lot of information, and different views of which, I am trying to cover most. So bare with me.

The word al-Mahdi never actually appears in the Qur’an, Islam’s main religious text, the passive of its Arabic stem appearing only four times. Support for the Mahdi finds itself completely within hadith, records of the traditions or sayings of Muhammad. While Sunni and Shii Muslims have their own hadith collections—their respective collections reflecting their respective beliefs—some overlap exists.

The Shii established their own form of leadership based on hereditary succession from Ali. The imam (“pattern,” “model,” “leader”) is the “divinely inspired, sinless, infallible, religiopolitical leader of the (Shii) community”. The imam must be a direct descendant of Muhammad and Ali, the first imam. The doctrine of the imamate is the fundamental difference between Shii and Sunni Islam.

The doctrine of the imamate, while originally simple, developed over time into complex theories and ideas that facilitated Mahdism. First, imams have the “divine right to be successors to the Prophet”, possessing authority in both the temporal and religious spheres because of their kinship with Muhammad and past “ruling kings”. Final authority on all subjects rests with the imam, as opposed to Sunni belief in consensus (ijma) of religious scholars (ulama) for authoritative decision-making.

Second, authority is passed from father to son by the father’s nomination (nass). The imam derives his authority not by the say of men, but by nass, the explicit designation of the previous imam and, thereby, the designation of God. This is reminiscent of the apostolic succession in Roman Catholic Christianity ((which is interesting, as you shall see in the future)).

Third, the imams have the ability to understand both the outer, exoteric, and inner, esoteric, meanings of the Qur’an by virtue of the “Muhammadan light” ((that sounds dangerous….for Muslims)), which is passed along to each succeeding imam. Fazlur Rahman ascribes this doctrine to Gnostic doctrines incorporated into Shii doctrines as Muslim territory expanded and attempted to incorporate peoples of different faiths.

Fourth, because interpretation of the Qur’an’s inner meaning relies on the “miraculous guidance of God”, the imam is infallible, protected from both error and sin ((again, dangerous)).

Fifth, since it is the imam who guides and sustains believers in the absence of the Prophet, the world can never be without an imam.

Sixth, imams are not regular humans; rather, they have a position somewhere between human and divine beings.

Belief in the imam can be referred to as the “third cardinal article of [Shii] Faith, after belief in God and in His Apostle” (with the exception of Zaydi Shii, mentioned later). According to S.H.M. Jafri, many of the doctrines concerning the imam were institutionalized by Imam Jafar al-Sadiq as a way to firmly establish the legitimacy of the imamate, “to save the basic ideal of Shi’ism from absorption by the emerging synthesis on the one hand, and to purify it from extremist and activist activities on the other.” Interestingly, however, Sadiq’s doctrines facilitated belief in the Madhi, a belief that came to be supported by many of the same “extremists” from whom he was protecting the “mainstream” Shii.

Among the extremists from whom Jafar wished to protect Shiism were the ghulat of Kufa, who believed in a temporary absence or occultation (ghayba) of the Mahdi and his subsequent return. This early group of ghulat would find a place in the mainstream amongst al-Mukhtar ibn ‘Ubayd’s Kaysaniya, a larger group which al-Mukhtar led in a revolt against the oppressive Umayyads in 686 C.E. following the deaths of Ali’s other two sons, Hasan and Husayn. Al-Mukhatar is credited with one of the earliest popular usages of the term Mahdi for having applied it to Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiya, a son of Ali by a woman other than Fatima.

Although the term “Mahdi” was originally used as an honorific title without a messianic connotation— it was applied to the Prophet and the first four caliphs — it by this time had become, as evinced by al-Mukhtar’s use of it, a term used for an expected ruler who would restore the glory of Islam.

Al-Mukhatar claimed the caliphate on behalf of al-Hanafiya, calling him “the Mahdi, son of the legatee,” a term applied to Ali by those who believed Muhammad had appointed Ali his successor. Although al-Hanafiya refused to accept the title, this movement popularized several aspects of Shii Mahdism such as the doctrine of nass and the idea that the Mahdi would go into concealment, or occultation, and later return. In addition, a popular claim that the name of the Mahdi would be the same as the Prophet’s was probably made at this time in order to strengthen al-Mukhtar’s argument on behalf of Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiya.

Among the three main sects of the Shii, two have a belief in the Mahdi that is central to their faith: the Ismailis and the Ithna Asharis. The third group is the Zaydis, the smallest and most moderate sect. Zaydis believe that Zayd ibn Ali, a grandson of Husayn, was the rightful fifth Imam. Their beliefs most closely resemble those of the Sunni, not believing that their imams are more than human. Their Shiism resembles the early political Shiism that was simply allegiance to Ali. Fazlur Rahman goes so far as to say that aside from having a Shii imam, “the religion is that of Sunni Islam.”

The two main groups of Shii that do believe in the Mahdi split from each other in the eight century in a disagreement over who would succeed the sixth Imam, Jafar. The majority of the Shii believed that Jafar had recognized his second oldest son, Musa al-Kazim, as imam because the eldest son, Ismail, was found guilty of the sin of drinking wine. Among those who followed Ismail as the imam, the majority end the line of imams with Ismail, believing that in 760 C.E., when he died before his father, he went into seclusion, later to return as the Mahdi.

The majority of those that had followed Musa al-Kazim as opposed to Ismail end the line of imams with the twelfth Imam, son of the eleventh Imam, Hasan al-Askari. Upon al-Askari’s death in 874 C.E., rumor abounded that he had left no offspring behind him. Nevertheless, most people came to believe that at the time of his death, he actually did have a five or six year old son, Muhammad, who al-Askari had designated as the next imam. Soon after his father’s death, however, the young Imam went into concealment, or occultation, to return at the end of time. His concealment consisted of two stages: the “lesser concealment,” which ended in approximately 939 C.E. and the “greater concealment,” to end just before the end of time. During the absence of the Mahdi (the imam), the religious experts, mujtahids, lead the community.

The doctrines associated with the Mahdi were shaped by several factors. First, the characteristics ascribed to the imamate by people such as Imam Jafar, particularly that God would never leave the world without an imam, made a “concealed” Mahdi a necessity. As Said Arjomand explains, “The centrality of the Imams to Shiite Islam made the inevitable crisis of succession caused by the Imam’s death a chronic threat to the survival of the community.” Mahdism, then, was a solution to a problem for the Shii, Ismaili, and Ithna Ashari alike.

A second factor that shaped the development the doctrine of the Mahdi in Shiism was a desire to be rescued from persecution. An examination of the common themes among Shii Mahdist traditions—“that he will appear when the world has reached its worst state of affairs; his reign will be a time of natural abundance, and he will spread justice, restore faith, and defeat the enemies of Islam [. . .] , and he will be generous and divide the wealth”—suggests that those who subscribed to belief in the Mahdi were not pleased with the present condition of their lives. For example, al-Hanafiya was believed to be the Mahdi by those who wished to escape persecution from the Umayyads. Likewise, in modern times, it has been argued that Mahdists have justified resistance to colonialism through their beliefs, heralding the imposition of colonialism on Muslims as a “sign of the hour” and accommodating their beliefs to that threat. Doctrinal responses to oppression are found not only in purely Mahdist doctrines, but also in other Shii doctrines such as taqiya, dissimulation. Taqiya, instituted by Muhammad al-Baqir and elaborated by Jafar al-Sadiq, has a “double meaning of caution and dissimulation for survival in a hostile world”; that is, believers may deny their beliefs if those beliefs put their lives in danger.

A third factor that has wrought the development of Mahdism has been increasing Muslim dissatisfaction with the status of the Islamic community. Wilfred Cantwell Smith, as quoted by Riffat Hassan, says it best:

The fundamental malaise of modern Islam is a sense that something has gone wrong with Islamic history. . . The fundamental spiritual crisis of Islam in the twentieth century stems from an awareness that something is awry between the religion which God has appointed and the historical development of the world which [God] controls.

This statement, however, rings true not only in the twentieth century, but has rung true for each succeeding generation of Muslims since the Abbasid revolution and Islam’s fall from Eurasian dominance. Reform movements led by men such as al-Ghazali and Ibn Taymiyya demonstrate this dissatisfaction. Mahdists have sought solace in the belief that the Mahdi would come soon to save them from the “enemies of Islam”, the Ithna Asharis believing, for instance, that the Mahdi, when he comes, will make the entire world accept Islam “willingly or by force”.

While the Shii certainly have the most institutionalized belief in the Mahdi, the belief is not completely alien to Sunni Islam. Unlike the Shii, however, the Sunni generally believe that the Mahdi will be “an ordinary man whose career is that of a reformer and conqueror.” Fazlur Rahman suggests that belief in the Mahdi made its way into Sunni doctrine through Sufism, a mystical form of Islamic piety. He states that in Sunni Islam, “where a deep-seated consciousness existed of the failure of political and public life to meet the standards of the Islamic ideal, [messianic] ideals found a ready place in the hearts of the frustrated and disillusioned public through the effective mediacy of [Sufi] preachers.” Consequently, Shii hadith containing Mahdist doctrine found their way into the Sunni hadith collections of Abu Dawud, al-Tirmidhi, Ibn Madja, al-Nasa’i, and the Musnad of Ibn Hanabal.

With its presence in both popular Sunni Islam and Shii Islam, the Mahdi, a messianic figure who will rule at the end of the world, can safely be called “Islam’s messianic figure”. Importantly, however, the presence of the Mahdi is only a sign that the end times are at hand. The arrival of the Mahdi is not the ultimate event of Islamic eschatology. Interestingly, the arrival of the Mahdi is often associated with the return of Jesus. Some claim that there will be no Mahdi at all, his role instead fulfilled by Jesus. Others say he will precede Jesus, who will descend later and assist the Mahdi in his battle against al-Dadjjal, the false messiah ((we will get to this)). Belief in the Mahdi has been more fervent at times when the Muslim masses have felt particularly oppressed or humiliated and until either the Muslim community reasserts itself atop the world’s hierarchy or the Mahdi arrives, one can only assume such a trend will, to some extent, continue.

I would encourage those who want to understand the split between Sunni’s and Shiite’s to read the entire article. I printed here the items there in regards to the Mahdi. What are your thoughts on this??

I want to say one more thing in regards to my previous post about Sufyaani. I believe I made the statement in that post that it sounded to me like Sufyaani appeared to me to be a conflict between Sunni’s and Shiites. While doing some research for upcoming posts, I found this statement by Khomeini, of Iran while addressing a youth rally:

“The Islamic and non-Islamic powers of the world will not admit our power till such time that we establish our hold over Makkah and Madinah because these are the centers and citadels of Islam. Hence our domination over these places Is an essential requirement … when as a conqueror I will enter Makkah and Madinah, the first thing to be done at that time by me would be to dig out two idols (Abu Bakr and Umar) lying by the side of the Prophet’s grave.”

The first scism between Sunni’s and Shiites was in 661 A.D when Ali the fourth of the “rightly guided” Khalifahs (Caliphs) was murdered by the henchmen of Abu Muawiya ibn Sufyan who became the fifth caliph. Shiites look upon Ali as the rightful heir to the Caliphate, being the cousin and son-in-law of the prophet Mohammed. Sunnis are loyal to Abu Muawiya ibn Sufyan who was the descendant of Abu Sufyan, the pre-Islamic ruler of Mecca and a rival of prophet Mohammed.

While the sectarian divide along Shiite-Sunni lines is discernable, that along tribal lines is not. We discussed a little about the Hasemites in that post as well; The rivalry of the Saudis and the Wahabis with the Hasemites goes back to the defeat, of the Hashemites by the Saudi Wahabis in the early 20th century which ultimately has its roots in early Islamic history when the descendants of prophet Mohammed were outmaneuvered by the descendants of the pre-Islamic ruler of Mecca Abu Sufyan. Thus the Al Qaeda who is the inheritor of the Wahabi ideology, has a case against the Hashemites with a pedigree going back to 1300 years. You can go here and learn something about the Hashemite’s, including the fact that King Abdullah of Jordan is Hashemite. His family tree is on this site, as is some history about Islam and the Hashemites.

You can also go here and learn more about what Wahabis are doing in Pakistan, at least in 2002, to followers of Ahlul Bayt. According to the article, Wahabis were killing various scholars, teachers and students of seminaries, religious figures, politico-religious parties leaders and activists, officials of various government and private institutions for no other reason except they were Shiite. The Wahabis were doing this under the guise of being Sunni. When the Sunni Muslims of Pakistan denounced them…, they did what you would expect, they started killing the Sunni’s as well. Minimals research into Abu Sufyan and Sufyaani shows that when Muslims talk about the end times, in regards to this prophecy, they are talking about a war between Muslims.

On my other blog, I had a Muslim (the one I talked about above), make the comment, “It’s sad to know that the majority of Muslims living today are fulfilling prophecies of war against other religions to please God.” As I said, I will be writing more about him in the future, but in what we see with Bin Lyin, and others, I think he’s right.

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I have discovered that there are some big differences in Shiite and Sunni views of the 12th Imam, or Imam Mahdi. I will be going over the Shiite views here, and until I say that the views are Sunni. It appears to me that the Shiite view is much more involved than the Sunni. During the next several posts we will look at the Mahdi up too, Dajjal, so don’t think I missed anything. We will cover more on the Mahdi after going over Dajjal.

Muhammad ((according to some)), prophesied about several events that will occur just before the advent of the Day of Judgment. Among these, Rasulullah ((just to interupt here for a second…does the definition of Rasulullah make sense to you??)), has foretold the advent of one of his descendants, the Mahdi (the guided one), which will materialize when the believers are severely oppressed in every corner of the world ((we talked about this in the last post)). He will fight the oppressors, unite the Muslims, bring peace and justice to the world, rule over the Arabs, and lead a prayer in Mecca at which ‘Eessa (Jesus) will be present ((we will get to this and some of the other things mentioned above)).

What is nice, is some people give a precise description of the Mahdi, but some how, I don’t think they have it right… No disrespect to my Muslim readers, but doesn’t this seem a bit too descriptive. What happens if some guy meets those things, but isn’t the Mahdi, but he thinks that he is, because he has read that stuff?? Case in point, this guy.

The Mahdi will be a Sayyid, from the progeny of say-yiditina Faatimah ((Fatimah)), the daughter of Rasulullah (Muhammad). He will not be very tall nor short. He will be well built. He will not be black nor brown, yellow or very white. His face will resemble the face of Rasulullah. His habits, morals and way of life will be similar to that of Rasulullah/Muhammad.
His name will be Muhammed. His fathers name Abdullah, and mothers name Aaminah. He will have a slight stutter in his speech, as a result at times he will hit his thigh with his palm. His ilm, he will receive directly from Allah, most high. However, sayyid Birzanjee writes in his kitaab that I could not find the name of Imam Mahdi’s mother in the riwaayaat (narrations).

There are numerous hadiths cited in Sunni and Shiite sources from Muhammad and the Imams concerning the appearance of the Mahdi, such as, that he is of the progeny of the Prophet and that his appearance will enable human society to reach true perfection and the full realization of spiritual life. In addition, there are numerous other traditions concerning the fact that the Mahdi is the son of the eleventh Imam, Hasan al-Askari. They agree that after being born and undergoing a long occultation (hidden by God)(since 868) the Mahdi will appear again, filling with justice the world that has been corrupted by injustice and iniquity (we will get into just how that is to take place).

At least that is what some think. Some believe he will be born, some believe he is the actual son of the 11th Imam, Hasan ibn Ali Askari, who, as I said, is still alive but in hiding for the last 1100-1200 or so years. I’m beginning to get a clearer picture on why all Muslims don’t think alike. The opponents of The Followers of Ahlu Bayt protest that according to the beliefs of this school the Hidden Imam should by now be nearly twelve centuries old, whereas this is impossible for any human being. And in answer to that some have said, that the protest is based only on the unlikelihood of such an occurrence, not its impossibility. Of course such a long lifetime or a life of a longer period is unlikely. But those who study the hadiths, and the Imams will see that they refer to this life as one possessing miraculous qualities, especially when you consider what he is going to do, if in fact he is as old as some say. I can say that when you look at the old testiment in the Bible, there were some who had extra long lives too, but…1200 years old, seems pretty old.

Ghaybat al-Sughra or Minor Occultation (874-939) is the shorter of the two periods, during which deputies of the Imam maintained communication to the rest of the world.
Ghaybat al-Kubra or Major Occultation began 939 and is believed to continue until a time decided by God, when the Mahdi will reappear to bring absolute justice to the world.

So we have two different Sects in Islam who believe in the Mahdi, but not in who the Mahdi is, which could cause some trouble within Islam itself. No doubt that each side considers the other to be heretics. I have been told that at least in the Quran, there is no mention of the Mahdi.

There are some who have written that there was no Mahdiism in the beginning of Islam. It was only in the second half of the first century (7th century CE) that the idea appeared among the Muslims. There was a group that regarded Muhammad b. Hanafiyya as the Mahdi and gave the good news to the people about the good fortune Islam would acquire through him. The same group believed that Muhammad b. Hanafiyya had not died but he was living in Mt. Radwa and one day would return.” There are others who say that the belief in Mahdi was widespread during the time of the Prophet Muhammad.

A tradition reported by Abu al-Hujaf quotes the Prophet saying three times:

Listen to the good news about the Mahdi! He will rise at the time when people will be faced with severe conflict and the earth will be hit by a violent quake. He will fill the earth with justice and equity as it is filled with injustice and tyranny. He will fill the hearts of his followers with devotion and will spread justice everywhere. Bihar al-anwar, Vol. 51, p. 74

This next verse is very important, as you will see in future posts, so make a note of it, both Muslims and Christians (don’t give it away, those of you who know why)

The Day of Resurrection will not take place until the True Qa’im rises. This will happen when God permits him to do so. Anyone who follows him will be saved, and anyone who opposes him will perish. O servants of God, keep God in your mind and go towards him even if it happens to be on the ice, for indeed he is the caliph of God, the Exalted and Glorified, and my successor. Bihar al-anwar, Vol. 51, p. 65; Ithbat al-hudat, Vol. 6, p. 382

Just to refresh from the last post, which is also the sign of the Mahdi’s return… Sufyaani will emerge in Palestine, where he will start a revolt in the month of Rajab (A little help here, what month is that??). He will be an uncompassionate rebel and his rule will last for eight consecutive months. He will conquer and rule Egypt for four consecutive months. Sufyaani will conquer Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Jordan, and Syria. Sufyaani has been specifically described by Aimma A.S. as an ugly, blistered, green-eyed, cross-eyed person who will be an enemy of the friends of the Ahlul-Bait which I assume is this, there is also a Shiite community in South Africa by the same name.  Imam Ali has said that Sufyaani’s hatred of the devotees of the Ahlul-Bait will be such that any person named Ali, Fatima, Hassan, Hussein, Zainab, Ruquaiya will be arrested and beheaded straight away without further investigations. Sufyaani will rip the  Mimber of the Prophet Mohammad. The house of the Prophet which contains his grave will be pulled and used as a stable. Horses will be tied in that place. Sufyaani will then attack Mecca, his purpose is supposed to be to destroy the Kabba and kill all the people of Mecca. According to the prophecy his army is supposed to start off on its march towards Mecca from Baghdad (some believe Syria), but when they get to the desert of Baida, between Mecca and Medina;  It is said that the entire army numbering 100,000 persons will be swallowed up by the earth, except for two. The two who will be spared will suddenly encounter an angel. He will slap both of them turning their faces right round, looking behind instead of front. And that will be the time when Imam Mahdi will already have reappeared in Mecca. 

The Mahdi will establish his authority in the Mosque in Mecca in the Haram. The angel will then order one of them calling him Bashir. “O Bashir, go straight to Mecca, into the Haram and inform the Imam that Sufyaani’s army has been swallowed up by the land. The other called Nazir will be ordered to go to Sufyaani and tell him that the Imam has already appeared. He should proceed straight to Mecca and declare allegiance to him. Sufyaani will prepare to attack the Mahdi but evidently will not have the courage. The Mahdi will catch Sufyaani in Jerusalem and kill him.

I found another list of things that is said to occur prior to the Mahdi’s appearance, we have covered some of them already, but just in case there are new things, I will post this list as well.

Imam Ali has said that nine definite signs will precede the emergence of Hazrat Mahdi. These nine signs are:

1) Dajaal will emerge.
2) A loud voice will be heard from the sky.
3) Sufyaani will appear and wage a fierce war.
4) The army of Sufyaani will be swallowed by a sudden opening of the land between Mecca and Medina in the desert of Baida.
5) A revered wise saint will be murdered in Mecca. (This saint is to be a Hashimite descent.)
6)A Seyyid descendant of Imam Hassan will emerge with his army.
7) The army of Seyyid-e-Hassan and an image of a man will appear in the sky opposite the sun. ((what??))
8) There will be two eclipses in the holy month of Ramadhan contrary to the normal order and calculation and the eclipse of the moon.
9) On three occasions a loud voice from the sky will be heard in the holy month of Ramadhan. ((What’s the difference between this and number 2??)

I will be going over more on the Mahdi, and what Sunni’s say about the Mahdi. I hope I am not giving information overload, I am just trying to get everything down right.