10,000 Deadly Terror Attacks Since 9/11

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I just noticed we are merely 88 terror attacks short of 10,000 since 9/11/2001. At the rate they are going they will reach 10,000 within the next 6 weeks.  Does anyone want to wager that the media, who touts and broadcasts any milestone in American solder deaths, will NOT cover this???

10,000 deadly terror attacks since 9/11, 10,000 in 6 years people. But I bet that those who carry on everytime our brave soldiers deaths reach 100; will say NOTHING!!! Don’t get me wrong, I love our brave young men and women, they are true hero’s and I can never say thank you enough. But they KNOW who and what we are fighting. It’s too bad our politicians and our ‘fair’ news channels don’t.

How many people have died in those 10,000 terror attacks?? Maybe that is what should be counted instead of the number of attacks, put up the total number of victims by these animals. And while doing that, put up the number of Muslims in those victims. Because I can guarantee you will find they are the main victim. Osama must be so proud.  By the way, remember back when Ahmadnutjob said there were no ‘gays’ in his country, and I said if that was true it was because he killed them all…  The above picture is of two gay teens.  Isn’t that nice.   

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

Imam Mahdi 2

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Since we are talking about the Mahdi and the differences between Sunni and Shiites, I found a article that may interest you. I will post part of it here, and put the link below. We will also go over some of the hadiths in regards to the Mahdi. It is interesting to note that in my research, I have found that Muslims often refer to different hadiths as strong or weak or in between. Which totally surprized me, I mean we have idiots out killing people over what they consider the Hadiths to say, but now I hear that even amongst Muslim they don’t give them all the same amount of weight.

I have a Muslim friend who sticks to the Quran and the Quran only. Sometime in the future, I will write about that and point you in his direction. Needless to say, I was fasinated with some of what he had to say, you may feel the same way. But for now, back to the subject at hand.

We already covered part of this yesterday, but I like the way this guy writes and I couldn’t leave out the stuff we already talked about, it would take away from his article.

I know these posts are long and involved, I just can’t see how to shorten them and get all the information in. When writing about Christianity, I write directly from what the Bible says about the end times, and my own beliefs. When writing about Islam’s belief’s, there is a lot of information, and different views of which, I am trying to cover most. So bare with me.

The word al-Mahdi never actually appears in the Qur’an, Islam’s main religious text, the passive of its Arabic stem appearing only four times. Support for the Mahdi finds itself completely within hadith, records of the traditions or sayings of Muhammad. While Sunni and Shii Muslims have their own hadith collections—their respective collections reflecting their respective beliefs—some overlap exists.

The Shii established their own form of leadership based on hereditary succession from Ali. The imam (“pattern,” “model,” “leader”) is the “divinely inspired, sinless, infallible, religiopolitical leader of the (Shii) community”. The imam must be a direct descendant of Muhammad and Ali, the first imam. The doctrine of the imamate is the fundamental difference between Shii and Sunni Islam.

The doctrine of the imamate, while originally simple, developed over time into complex theories and ideas that facilitated Mahdism. First, imams have the “divine right to be successors to the Prophet”, possessing authority in both the temporal and religious spheres because of their kinship with Muhammad and past “ruling kings”. Final authority on all subjects rests with the imam, as opposed to Sunni belief in consensus (ijma) of religious scholars (ulama) for authoritative decision-making.

Second, authority is passed from father to son by the father’s nomination (nass). The imam derives his authority not by the say of men, but by nass, the explicit designation of the previous imam and, thereby, the designation of God. This is reminiscent of the apostolic succession in Roman Catholic Christianity ((which is interesting, as you shall see in the future)).

Third, the imams have the ability to understand both the outer, exoteric, and inner, esoteric, meanings of the Qur’an by virtue of the “Muhammadan light” ((that sounds dangerous….for Muslims)), which is passed along to each succeeding imam. Fazlur Rahman ascribes this doctrine to Gnostic doctrines incorporated into Shii doctrines as Muslim territory expanded and attempted to incorporate peoples of different faiths.

Fourth, because interpretation of the Qur’an’s inner meaning relies on the “miraculous guidance of God”, the imam is infallible, protected from both error and sin ((again, dangerous)).

Fifth, since it is the imam who guides and sustains believers in the absence of the Prophet, the world can never be without an imam.

Sixth, imams are not regular humans; rather, they have a position somewhere between human and divine beings.

Belief in the imam can be referred to as the “third cardinal article of [Shii] Faith, after belief in God and in His Apostle” (with the exception of Zaydi Shii, mentioned later). According to S.H.M. Jafri, many of the doctrines concerning the imam were institutionalized by Imam Jafar al-Sadiq as a way to firmly establish the legitimacy of the imamate, “to save the basic ideal of Shi’ism from absorption by the emerging synthesis on the one hand, and to purify it from extremist and activist activities on the other.” Interestingly, however, Sadiq’s doctrines facilitated belief in the Madhi, a belief that came to be supported by many of the same “extremists” from whom he was protecting the “mainstream” Shii.

Among the extremists from whom Jafar wished to protect Shiism were the ghulat of Kufa, who believed in a temporary absence or occultation (ghayba) of the Mahdi and his subsequent return. This early group of ghulat would find a place in the mainstream amongst al-Mukhtar ibn ‘Ubayd’s Kaysaniya, a larger group which al-Mukhtar led in a revolt against the oppressive Umayyads in 686 C.E. following the deaths of Ali’s other two sons, Hasan and Husayn. Al-Mukhatar is credited with one of the earliest popular usages of the term Mahdi for having applied it to Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiya, a son of Ali by a woman other than Fatima.

Although the term “Mahdi” was originally used as an honorific title without a messianic connotation— it was applied to the Prophet and the first four caliphs — it by this time had become, as evinced by al-Mukhtar’s use of it, a term used for an expected ruler who would restore the glory of Islam.

Al-Mukhatar claimed the caliphate on behalf of al-Hanafiya, calling him “the Mahdi, son of the legatee,” a term applied to Ali by those who believed Muhammad had appointed Ali his successor. Although al-Hanafiya refused to accept the title, this movement popularized several aspects of Shii Mahdism such as the doctrine of nass and the idea that the Mahdi would go into concealment, or occultation, and later return. In addition, a popular claim that the name of the Mahdi would be the same as the Prophet’s was probably made at this time in order to strengthen al-Mukhtar’s argument on behalf of Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiya.

Among the three main sects of the Shii, two have a belief in the Mahdi that is central to their faith: the Ismailis and the Ithna Asharis. The third group is the Zaydis, the smallest and most moderate sect. Zaydis believe that Zayd ibn Ali, a grandson of Husayn, was the rightful fifth Imam. Their beliefs most closely resemble those of the Sunni, not believing that their imams are more than human. Their Shiism resembles the early political Shiism that was simply allegiance to Ali. Fazlur Rahman goes so far as to say that aside from having a Shii imam, “the religion is that of Sunni Islam.”

The two main groups of Shii that do believe in the Mahdi split from each other in the eight century in a disagreement over who would succeed the sixth Imam, Jafar. The majority of the Shii believed that Jafar had recognized his second oldest son, Musa al-Kazim, as imam because the eldest son, Ismail, was found guilty of the sin of drinking wine. Among those who followed Ismail as the imam, the majority end the line of imams with Ismail, believing that in 760 C.E., when he died before his father, he went into seclusion, later to return as the Mahdi.

The majority of those that had followed Musa al-Kazim as opposed to Ismail end the line of imams with the twelfth Imam, son of the eleventh Imam, Hasan al-Askari. Upon al-Askari’s death in 874 C.E., rumor abounded that he had left no offspring behind him. Nevertheless, most people came to believe that at the time of his death, he actually did have a five or six year old son, Muhammad, who al-Askari had designated as the next imam. Soon after his father’s death, however, the young Imam went into concealment, or occultation, to return at the end of time. His concealment consisted of two stages: the “lesser concealment,” which ended in approximately 939 C.E. and the “greater concealment,” to end just before the end of time. During the absence of the Mahdi (the imam), the religious experts, mujtahids, lead the community.

The doctrines associated with the Mahdi were shaped by several factors. First, the characteristics ascribed to the imamate by people such as Imam Jafar, particularly that God would never leave the world without an imam, made a “concealed” Mahdi a necessity. As Said Arjomand explains, “The centrality of the Imams to Shiite Islam made the inevitable crisis of succession caused by the Imam’s death a chronic threat to the survival of the community.” Mahdism, then, was a solution to a problem for the Shii, Ismaili, and Ithna Ashari alike.

A second factor that shaped the development the doctrine of the Mahdi in Shiism was a desire to be rescued from persecution. An examination of the common themes among Shii Mahdist traditions—“that he will appear when the world has reached its worst state of affairs; his reign will be a time of natural abundance, and he will spread justice, restore faith, and defeat the enemies of Islam [. . .] , and he will be generous and divide the wealth”—suggests that those who subscribed to belief in the Mahdi were not pleased with the present condition of their lives. For example, al-Hanafiya was believed to be the Mahdi by those who wished to escape persecution from the Umayyads. Likewise, in modern times, it has been argued that Mahdists have justified resistance to colonialism through their beliefs, heralding the imposition of colonialism on Muslims as a “sign of the hour” and accommodating their beliefs to that threat. Doctrinal responses to oppression are found not only in purely Mahdist doctrines, but also in other Shii doctrines such as taqiya, dissimulation. Taqiya, instituted by Muhammad al-Baqir and elaborated by Jafar al-Sadiq, has a “double meaning of caution and dissimulation for survival in a hostile world”; that is, believers may deny their beliefs if those beliefs put their lives in danger.

A third factor that has wrought the development of Mahdism has been increasing Muslim dissatisfaction with the status of the Islamic community. Wilfred Cantwell Smith, as quoted by Riffat Hassan, says it best:

The fundamental malaise of modern Islam is a sense that something has gone wrong with Islamic history. . . The fundamental spiritual crisis of Islam in the twentieth century stems from an awareness that something is awry between the religion which God has appointed and the historical development of the world which [God] controls.

This statement, however, rings true not only in the twentieth century, but has rung true for each succeeding generation of Muslims since the Abbasid revolution and Islam’s fall from Eurasian dominance. Reform movements led by men such as al-Ghazali and Ibn Taymiyya demonstrate this dissatisfaction. Mahdists have sought solace in the belief that the Mahdi would come soon to save them from the “enemies of Islam”, the Ithna Asharis believing, for instance, that the Mahdi, when he comes, will make the entire world accept Islam “willingly or by force”.

While the Shii certainly have the most institutionalized belief in the Mahdi, the belief is not completely alien to Sunni Islam. Unlike the Shii, however, the Sunni generally believe that the Mahdi will be “an ordinary man whose career is that of a reformer and conqueror.” Fazlur Rahman suggests that belief in the Mahdi made its way into Sunni doctrine through Sufism, a mystical form of Islamic piety. He states that in Sunni Islam, “where a deep-seated consciousness existed of the failure of political and public life to meet the standards of the Islamic ideal, [messianic] ideals found a ready place in the hearts of the frustrated and disillusioned public through the effective mediacy of [Sufi] preachers.” Consequently, Shii hadith containing Mahdist doctrine found their way into the Sunni hadith collections of Abu Dawud, al-Tirmidhi, Ibn Madja, al-Nasa’i, and the Musnad of Ibn Hanabal.

With its presence in both popular Sunni Islam and Shii Islam, the Mahdi, a messianic figure who will rule at the end of the world, can safely be called “Islam’s messianic figure”. Importantly, however, the presence of the Mahdi is only a sign that the end times are at hand. The arrival of the Mahdi is not the ultimate event of Islamic eschatology. Interestingly, the arrival of the Mahdi is often associated with the return of Jesus. Some claim that there will be no Mahdi at all, his role instead fulfilled by Jesus. Others say he will precede Jesus, who will descend later and assist the Mahdi in his battle against al-Dadjjal, the false messiah ((we will get to this)). Belief in the Mahdi has been more fervent at times when the Muslim masses have felt particularly oppressed or humiliated and until either the Muslim community reasserts itself atop the world’s hierarchy or the Mahdi arrives, one can only assume such a trend will, to some extent, continue.

I would encourage those who want to understand the split between Sunni’s and Shiite’s to read the entire article. I printed here the items there in regards to the Mahdi. What are your thoughts on this??

I want to say one more thing in regards to my previous post about Sufyaani. I believe I made the statement in that post that it sounded to me like Sufyaani appeared to me to be a conflict between Sunni’s and Shiites. While doing some research for upcoming posts, I found this statement by Khomeini, of Iran while addressing a youth rally:

“The Islamic and non-Islamic powers of the world will not admit our power till such time that we establish our hold over Makkah and Madinah because these are the centers and citadels of Islam. Hence our domination over these places Is an essential requirement … when as a conqueror I will enter Makkah and Madinah, the first thing to be done at that time by me would be to dig out two idols (Abu Bakr and Umar) lying by the side of the Prophet’s grave.”

The first scism between Sunni’s and Shiites was in 661 A.D when Ali the fourth of the “rightly guided” Khalifahs (Caliphs) was murdered by the henchmen of Abu Muawiya ibn Sufyan who became the fifth caliph. Shiites look upon Ali as the rightful heir to the Caliphate, being the cousin and son-in-law of the prophet Mohammed. Sunnis are loyal to Abu Muawiya ibn Sufyan who was the descendant of Abu Sufyan, the pre-Islamic ruler of Mecca and a rival of prophet Mohammed.

While the sectarian divide along Shiite-Sunni lines is discernable, that along tribal lines is not. We discussed a little about the Hasemites in that post as well; The rivalry of the Saudis and the Wahabis with the Hasemites goes back to the defeat, of the Hashemites by the Saudi Wahabis in the early 20th century which ultimately has its roots in early Islamic history when the descendants of prophet Mohammed were outmaneuvered by the descendants of the pre-Islamic ruler of Mecca Abu Sufyan. Thus the Al Qaeda who is the inheritor of the Wahabi ideology, has a case against the Hashemites with a pedigree going back to 1300 years. You can go here and learn something about the Hashemite’s, including the fact that King Abdullah of Jordan is Hashemite. His family tree is on this site, as is some history about Islam and the Hashemites.

You can also go here and learn more about what Wahabis are doing in Pakistan, at least in 2002, to followers of Ahlul Bayt. According to the article, Wahabis were killing various scholars, teachers and students of seminaries, religious figures, politico-religious parties leaders and activists, officials of various government and private institutions for no other reason except they were Shiite. The Wahabis were doing this under the guise of being Sunni. When the Sunni Muslims of Pakistan denounced them…, they did what you would expect, they started killing the Sunni’s as well. Minimals research into Abu Sufyan and Sufyaani shows that when Muslims talk about the end times, in regards to this prophecy, they are talking about a war between Muslims.

On my other blog, I had a Muslim (the one I talked about above), make the comment, “It’s sad to know that the majority of Muslims living today are fulfilling prophecies of war against other religions to please God.” As I said, I will be writing more about him in the future, but in what we see with Bin Lyin, and others, I think he’s right.

http://www.wm.edu/so/monitor/spring2001/paper2.htm#_edn7

Gog and Magog and The Differing Views Amongst Muslims

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Before we get to far into Islam’s Gog and Magog, I wanted to put this up. The following posts are from 2 Muslim websites, the links are below. To my Muslim readers, there will be some posts where I will ask you to comment on whether the information is widely accepted and how much is or is not. In addition, some of what I am putting up, may seem offensive to Muslims and non-Muslims alike, it is not meant to be. I am merely putting up what each text/site/person believes, so take it for that.

I found this post to be interesting and refreshing, as I hear so much against the Jews in particular.

Don’t Blame The Jews

Another disturbing trend that is heavily propagated by extremists and accepted by many naive Arabs and Muslims is the blaming of all Muslim problems on the Jews. There are numerous examples for this but most recently news broadcasts out of Iraq quoted Iraqi victims of violence who blamed the bombings on Jews or a Jewish conspiracy.Many Arabs and Muslims still blame the 9-11 attacks on a Jewish conspiracy that was allegedly perpetrated to demonize Arabs and Muslims in the eyes of the world.

One of the most recent and tragic examples of unjustified hate towards Jews was the brutal murder of Daniel Pearl. Daniel Pearl was a journalist murdered by Islamic extremists in Pakistan who had never met a Jew, and the only knowledge they had about Jews was the tireless propaganda from Muslim extremists throughout the world blaming Jews for all of the world’s problems. The extremists targeted and murdered Daniel Pearl because he was a Jew.

Our research indicates that one of the modern origins of this trend is the mutual demonization by Israelis and Arabs of each other to gain global support for each other’s causes. This pattern includes the Arab media’s ceaseless reference to the falsified document, the Protocols of Zion. The Coalition strongly urges Muslims and Arabs to refrain from demonizing Jews and stop blaming Jews for all of the world’s problems. The Coalition also urges Israelis to stop demonizing Arabs and Muslims who peacefully advocate for the rights of Palestinians. http://pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/10/02/dont-blame-the-jews/

.((this is my comment on the above, in case it isn’t ‘outdented’)) I showed in my post ‘Israel, Prophecy, and The End Times’, that some Muslims have no problem with Israel. I wanted to show this post before putting up the next one, to remind you that not every Muslim is against Israel or the Jews, and the same can be said about Christians. Not every Christian is for Israel or Jews, (in this I believe Christians are wrong and not following the Word).

Here is some interesting stuff but it is considered unorthodox and infamous amongst Muslim scholars for its number 19 theory. Still, it shows the differing views of different Muslims. And I can’t say that everything he has to say is wrong in the main Islamic belief, because I have seen some of his views on other websites, which we will be getting too.

Who Are Gog And Magog

The Quran refers to Gog & Magog twice in Quran, in 18:94 & 21:96. It is a great blessing upon us that we have some additional information about Gog & Magog through Dr. Rashad Khalifa, God’s Messenger of the Covenant. Below are the relevant verses for this topic taken from Dr. Khalifa’s English translation of Quran.


[18:93] When he reached the valley between two palisades, he found people whose language was barely understandable.
[18:94] They said, “O Zul-Qarnain, Gog and Magog are corruptors of the earth. Can we pay you to create a barrier between us and them?”
[18:95] He said, “My Lord has given me great bounties. If you cooperate with me, I will build a dam between you and them.
[18:96] “Bring to me masses of iron.” Once he filled the gap between the two palisades, he said, “Blow.” Once it was red hot, he said, “Help me pour tar on top of it.”
[18:97] Thus, they could not climb it, nor could they bore holes in it.
[18:98] He said, “This is mercy from my Lord. When the prophecy of my Lord comes to pass, He will cause the dam to crumble. The prophecy of my Lord is truth.”
[18:99] At that time, we will let them invade with one another, then the horn will be blown, and we will summon them all together.


Footnote for 18:94-98: One of my duties as God’s Messenger of the Covenant is to state that Gog and Magog, the final sign before the end of the world, will reappear in 2270 AD (1700 AH), just 10 years before the end. Note that Gog and Magog occur in Suras 18 and 21, precisely 17 verses before the end of each sura, representing 17 lunar centuries (see 72:27 and Appendix 25).


[21:95] It is forbidden for any community we had annihilated to return.
[21:96] Not until Gog and Magog reappear, will they then return – they will come from every direction.
[21:97] That is when the inevitable prophecy will come to pass, and the disbelievers will stare in horror: “Woe to us; we have been oblivious. Indeed, we have been wicked.”


Footnote for 21:96: By the year 2270 AD, thanks to God’s mathematical miracle in the Quran (Appendix 1), America will be the heart of Islam, and billions around the globe will have believed in the Quran (9:33, 41:53, 48:28, 61:9). Gog and Magog (allegorical names of villainous communities), will be the only bastions of heathenism, and they will attack the submitters. That is when the world will end (15:87, 18:94, Appendix 25). Gog and Magog are mentioned in 18:94 & 21:96, 17 verses before the end of each sura; this may indicate the time of their appearance.

One of the things I have noticed is that this person believes that anyone using the Hadiths and Sunnah’s are wrong and that the Quran spoke against it. He uses scripture that I thought was suppose to refer to non-Muslims. At least that is the way it was told to me, but it was told to me by Islamists so who knows. Some of his explanations on why he only uses the Quran seem to make sense. I also know that there are many different sects in Islam, and many different views as you will see. Suffice to say, he is not alone in his interpretations, there are others who use only the Quran. We will get into his number theory in the future.

This guy sees that all religion should be allowed to be freely worshiped, others obviously do not. And one in particular feels that everyone who isn’t Muslim is possibly Gog and Magog, we will be getting to his stuff.

The person who wrote this also said; “USA as a society and as a nation practices God’s laws as laid out in the Quran, more so, than any other nation in the world. He follows that comment with those great words from the pledge, One Nation, Under God, Indivisible, With Liberty And Justice For All. So you see, as I have said over and over, not all Muslims think alike. Anyway, moving on to the next concept of Gog Magog. Too bad more don’t think like these 2.

One more thing, I want to set the record straight on a couple of things. #1 Christians are NOT polytheist which is the standard theme in Islam. #2 I really want Muslims to understand one simple fact, just because the west is considered Christian, does not mean that all Westerners are Christian. In Muslim nations the majority of people are Muslim, their nation revolves around the religion for the most part. Most people attend mosque, most people pray 5 times a day, most people follow the pillars. So, because of that, most Muslims who live in Muslim nations seem to think that Christian nations do the same thing in regards to Christianity…THEY DON’T. There are a number of Christians for sure, but not all are devout or follow the same beliefs as the other. Please keep this in mind before you lump all Westerners in the same basket!! And the same goes for Westerners.

http://www.submission.org/suras/app25.html
http://www.submission.org/miracle/
http://www.submission.org/islam/usa.html

Gog and Magog In Christianity 1

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This post is long, but please take the time to read it all. Some of it you may know, some you may not, but considering the signs of the times, we can all use a reminder.

Both Islam and Christianity have a “Gog and Magog” in this post, I will explain what the Christian faith says about it. I will put up Islam’s Gog and Magog in the next post. There may be things that you think I have left out, trust me, I won’t leave anything out, just give me time to get everything in.

As we discussed yesterday, Ezekiel 36-37 predicts a gathering of the Jews to the nation of Israel, which will be followed by this massive invasion. For 19 centuries the Jewish people were scattered throughout the world, and until May 14, 1948 there was no nation of Israel to invade. With the nation of Israel now a reality, the stage seems set for the war that will usher in the tribulation and the rise of the Antichrist; a war that will end with the destruction of Israel’s enemies by God Himself, and lead to the signing of a peace treaty with the Antichrist.
* The rebirth of the State of Israel in the end times (both chapters)
* The return of the Jews to the Holy Land after centuries in exile (36:10-11, 36:24, 36:37-38, 37:12, 37:21)
* The rebuilding of the ancient ruins in Israel (36:36)
* The re-blossoming of desolate, desert lands to produce abundant food, fruit and foliage (36:8-9 and 36:30-35)
* The creation of an “exceedingly great army” (37:11)
Such prophecies began to be fulfilled in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, accelerated in 1948 and 1967, and continue to come to pass to this day.

This, of course, raises an intriguing question: If Ezekiel 36 and 37 have largely come true in our lifetime, isn’t it possible that Ezekiel 38 and 39 will soon come true as well??

Everyone should read Ezekiel chapters 38-39 in the Christian Bible, for a indept look at the Christian prophecy of Gog and Magog. Ezekiel 38 through 39 tells of a future invasion of Israel by a vast coalition of nations that surround it. I will post some of it here, but it would be too long to copy both chapters here. For those of you who are unfamiler with the Christian Bible, Ezekiel was a major prophet in the Old Testiment.

And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts [of armour, even] a great company [with] bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: [and] many people with thee. Ezekiel 38:1-6

The NIV translation, of the same verse’s: The word of the Lord came to me; Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army – your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops – the many nations with you.’

What do those names mean/what country’s are they?? There are many theory’s, and I will be going over some of them here. I will also go over the main theory, or thought on who they are. Later (in future post), I will go over why it is important and what is going on in the world that points to it now.

Most of you know that Persia, is Iran, and what is the retoric going on by its President today (don’t jump the gun, I promise I will get to that). If you want me to go into more detail about why these names are the names below, just say the word and I will. But it may come later in the series as I want to get the main stuff out first.

* Gog is described as being “of the land of Magog” and as the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal. Most Bible scholars believe Gog is not a name but a title, like Pharoah or Czar. He is a dictator who will hatch an “evil plan” (38:10).

* Magog = Leading Bible scholars say this is Russia and republics of the former Soviet Union. The first century Roman historian Josephus said the “Magogites” were the peoples whom the Greeks called “Scythians.” Scythians were a fierce, blood-thirsty civilization that settled north of the Baltic Sea in what is now Russia and the European republics of the former USSR.

* Rosh = Russia* Meshech = Some Bible scholars say this is Moscow, others believe it refers to Turkey

* Tubal = Some Bible scholars say this refers to the city/region of Tobolsk in Russia along the Tobol River;

others say it refers to a section of modern-day Turkey. (Interestingly, in 1964, massive reserves of oil and gas were discovered in the Tobolsk region of Siberia and people now refer to the region as the “energy center of Russia.”)

* Persia = This was the official name of Iran until 1935

* Cush = Sudan and Ethiopia

* Put = Libya, and possibly Algeria and Tunisia

* Gomer = Turkey, but also possibly Germany and Austria

* Beth-togarmah = Armenia and the Turkic-speaking peoples of Central Asia

* “Many peoples with you” who will attack along “the mountains of Israel” =

Other countries will be involved in the coalition as well, notably countries that border the mountains of Israel. This includes Lebanon, Syria and possibly Jordan.

Before puting these names off countries up, I researched it out and found that this was the overwhelming view, though there are some who disagree on one or more of the countries involved. I may get into that, given time, but right now I want to stick to the basic’s.

WHAT

Gogs Plan

38:7 Gog will build a military coalition and be prepared” to strike
38:8 Gog will deploy the coalition against Israel
39:9 Gog will use overwhelming force against Israel; he and his coalition will come like a storm….like a cloud covering the land

Gods Plan

38:2 The Lord God will bring judgment upon the enemies of Israel, beginning with Gog, the dictator of Russia
38:20 The Lord will trigger a massive earthquake in which all the men who are on the face of the earth will shake at My presence
38:21 The Lord will turn Gogs forces against one another
38:22 The Lord will subject Gogs coalition forces to:
* pestilence
* blood
* torrential rains
* hailstones
* fire from heaven
39:6 The Lord will send fire upon Magog itself and others
39:9 Israel will capture her enemies weapons and burn them for 7 years
39:12 It will taken 7 full months to bury all the bodies of Israel’s slain enemies
39:17-20 Birds and beast will feast on the bodies of Israel’s slain enemies

WHEN

38:8 Israel will be a country again and Jews will be regathered to the Holy Land
38:11, 14 My people Israel are living securely before the “War of Gog and Magog”
38:12-13 Israel will have economic prosperity
38:16 It will come about in the last days (before the return of Christ)

WHY

39:21 I shall set My glory among the nations; and all the nations will see My judgment
39:22 the house of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God
39:29 I shall have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel

These events will not only be a judgment of Israel’s enemies in keeping with Genesis 12:1-3, in which God says those who bless Israel

He will bless, and those who curse Israel He will curse. The events will also be the beginning of a great spiritual awakening. God will literally and metaphorically shake people out of spiritual apathy and lethargy to realize there is a God in heaven. He will also shake people who are following false religions and turn them to Himself. Moreover, He will shake those who are followers of Christ but not serious about their faith. It should be noted that ours is the first generation in human history in which all the nations on earth will be able to watch the “War of Gog and Magog” unfold because of the emergence of television and satellite technology.
** Note: All verses are from the New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Verse 8 proclaims that these nations will “invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate.” The land that is invaded can only appear to be Israel, a nation whose people have been gathering from all over the world for 50 years.

God has intended this invasion however. In vs. 16 he declares, “In days to come, O Gog, I will bring you against my land so that the nations may know me when I show myself holy though you before their eyes.” Verses 17-23 describe the exact catastrophes that will befall the invading nations. They are supernaturally destroyed and no harm is done to Israel. God will not let his people be harmed. The miraculous Six Day War of 1967 should have taught everyone that, but the world has turned a blind eye.

Ezekiel 39:9 begins the description of the aftermath. It is gruesome but also amazing in its detail when looked at in comparison to today. “Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up – the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears. For seven years they will use them for fuel. This statement is remarkable for two reasons.

First is the nature of the weapons. In the time that Ezekiel wrote this, burning weapons made perfect sense because they were made of wood. What of today’s weapons however? How do you burn warplanes and other metals? Amazingly, Russia has been using Lignostone in the production of its weapons. Lignostone “is a special kind of wood used for ‘coke breakers.’ It is stronger than steel, is very elastic… and it burns better than coal.” (90 LaHaye Are We Living in the End Times?) You can read more about Lignostone on its website at http://www.lignostone.com.

The second important part of this passage is the fact that it will take seven years to burn all the weapons. The tribulation will be seven years, so this gives us some sort of timeline with which to place this event. This event would either have to come at the very beginning of the tribulation or before to allow seven full years.

However, this event cannot happen at the beginning of the tribulation because the tribulation begins with the antichrist signing a peace treaty with Israel. This treaty is not going to immediately be broken with this battle. It won’t be until 3 ½ years that the treaty is broken.

This means that this battle occurs before the tribulation. While it is purely speculation on my part, I believe that this is the final straw that leaves everyone crying out for peace and the perfect setting for the antichrist to step in and give it to the nations.

Chapter 39 continues with the clean up of these armies that are supernaturally destroyed. Verse 12 says that for seven months people will work nonstop to cleanse the land. This isn’t hard to imagine after seeing the devastation caused by the destruction of the World Trade Center. The cleanup took longer than half a year with crews working around the clock and the best equipment available. Imagine such destruction spread over forty miles, or an area the size of New Jersey .

Even after the seven month period, there will be people employed full time in cleaning up the land. Every bone will be marked and carried to the Valley of Hamon Gog, a mass grave for all the invaders. The name simply means hordes of Gog.

The reason for all of this destruction is for God to be glorified. In verses 21-22 he says, “I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay upon them. From that day forward the house of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God.”

After these events, the Israelites return to their native land in force. Verse 25, “The Sovereign Lord says: I will now bring Jacob back from captivity and will have compassion on all the people of Israel, and I will be zealous for my holy name.”

Even in such destruction, God has a purpose. The nations will fear Him and Israel will return to Him and their homeland. All of this could happen soon. The world situation is one where any number of Middle Eastern nations could easily lead a coalition against Israel . Israel has nothing to fear from their enemies though, because they are protected by the Lord of Hosts.

So the main thing we see here is that several nations will come against Israel and when they do, God will defend Israel. Pretty powerful stuff when you think about it. We have covered the who, what and where, but we will cover much, much, more in coming posts.

There is another mention of Gog and Magog in Revelations, which is the battle of Armageddon. I don’t believe it is ‘that’ battle, many scholars feel the same way. I totally agree with the above statement, I think that the war of Gog and Magog will cause people to be fed up, I think it will be at this time that we will see the 7 year treaty with Israel. I will get into this in more detail later. By understanding the pre-tribulation stuff, you will be able to identify what is playing out around you. We will also go over the ‘Rapture’, I know that not all Christians believe in the Rapture, but I will go over it anyway. That way, should it occur, everyone will know what it is/was.

There is more on this subject that I will be getting to, as I have already said. We will also go over the Gog and Magog in Islam, or, Yajuj wa Ma’juj. There is so much information, and how to write it, and keep it is some kind of order is difficult. I want to encourage you to let me know if there are things you want me to go over in more detail, but also keep in mind that I have left some stuff out on purpose and will address later.

P.S.(I should have put that picture up when talking about the signs. Did you get the joke??)

http://joelrosenberg.blogspot.com/2005/05/war-of-gog-and-magog-understanding.html
http://www.spreadinglight.com/prophecy/gog.html

A Letter To Binny

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As most of you know, I had knee surgery a couple of weeks ago. The surgery went great, but the recovery is kicking my butt. I am telling you this because I know I am lacks in my entry’s. The bottom line is, either I am in a great deal of pain , or I am in a drug induced haze . So please be patience with me.

The post before last, had a link to another item. It’s called,  “A Letter To Binny” and it is below.  I threw in the crazy kitty picture as my bit of the entry .  I hope you find it funny, I have a long list of stupid pictures I can throw out there every now and then.  The bottom line is that my blog is of a very serious nature, but every once in awhile, I want you to be able to come to my blog and laugh.  If for no other reason, than the picture on top.  

Letter to al Qaeda: 

Blessed be Allah.

Binny I have studied you for so long I feel like I know you.
And I am praying you will forgive my informality.
It has been 6 or 7 years since the first attacks.

Your name is known across the world.

Your crusade has not gone well.

You have killed around 7,000 Americans in 5 years.
You have lost two Middle Eastern Countries.
Lost most of your cadre, and another 100,000 troops.
YOU have a civil war going in Iraq which threatens to spread
to the rest of the Muslim world.
Your dream for a caliphiate is still a dream, you have Muslim
killing Muslim, killing women and children, bombing Mosques
and market places all an afront to Allah.

The six in New Jersey were not yours, they were planning to attack
a military base, they were holy within their own standards, no civilians.
While al Qaeda has become unholy killing civilians, blowing up Mosques.

Leading Muslim boys and girls to HELL, if they kill civilians, women and children, not Martyrs, shaitian.

You have bastardized Islam for your own political motives.
You sprang from Islams loins,
USA can fight you world wide,
but a Moslem will take you out,
your final Hajj.

Allah said : (Allah has promised, to those Moslems among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion -the one which He has chosen for them; and that He will change (their state), after the fear in which they (lived), to one of security and peace: ‘They will worship Me (alone) and not associate aught with Me. ‘If any do reject Faith after this, they are rebellious and wicked.) 55,AlNOOR.

Moslems created the al Qa’ida.

Asking the Lord to accept. The overall objective of this bulletin : Brothers and sisters urged to publish this article to relatives and friends, and in the mosques, and every person standing on the Internet Through the printing and distribution of the bulletin, and read on boards and also through sent by e-mail and e-mail Different groups, and chat rooms. , and other ideas that have the positive impact.

I think this must be the husband of the woman who wrote, “Blessed Be Al Qaida”  I say that, based on the link from the other website, some of what is in it, and the request at the end.  I have no real clue, but it looked like it to me.  I will also add, like I did before, that we all comply with her request and forward this to as many people as possible.

And one more thing.  I want to thank all of you, who come to this blog on a regular basis.  Thank you for your response, whether it be by email, the front page, or the comment section.  I truly appreciate all of you, so if I don’t say it enough, let me do it here for all to see….

Thank You             

http://warintel.newsvine.com/_news/2007/05/19/728686-letter-to-binny-by-gerald

Jihadist Rule On Killing Women and Children part 2

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These questions were asked under a blog entry where the writer of the blog claims that American snipers, shot a child in the stomach and his intestines came out. I am always amazed at the garbage they come up with that is suppose to be true fact. And the actual facts on the ground. I never got an answer on how they knew it was a US sniper that shot the child. I do know that our snipers are highly trained, they can hit a target from unbelievable distances (like a mile plus) and they don’t shoot children.

During the Vietnam war, there were many soldiers killed because they could not shoot kids. Not because they weren’t allowed to defend themselves, but because they just couldn’t do it. So they want me to believe that a sniper, shot some kid just for the heck of it. I don’t think today would be any different than back in Vietnam, even if a kid were running up on them with a gun or bomb or something, our troops would die before pulling the trigger. We can see here, what he thinks of our facts.

Eagles comment:

You seem learnedly(yes it is a word), can you answer these questions for me??

What do you think about the 500 killed in Iraq by 3 suicide truck bombers??  (Remember, the village that was attacked was between 2 Sunni villages, and the Sunni’s had told the people in the village that was bombed to leave.)

I thought it was against the rules to kill women, children and the elderly??

What do you feel were those peoples crimes??

How does the Mujaahideen justify the killing of women and children??

I have been trying to find where it is written, that this is OK, do you know??

Jihadist comment:

Eagle, All we say to you is: Prove that the Mujaahideen, more specifically the Islamic State of Iraaq, carried out that operation. And no, I don’t want Western sources because it has been proven way too many times that they lie regarding the operations of the Mujaahideen, and are very quick to point fingers at them.

Give me the source/statement where a Jihaadee group said they did such an operation. You will come to realize that your media (the Western media) will spoon feed you lies upon lies. And you’ll be even more surprised to find out that your army (the US army) carries out such operations…some Western reporters, have reported on this cruelty. ((really?!?!?)) ((I would be really surprised, since the news media sets upon any possible bad news, with joy, especially if it paints the war in a bad light)) It is a well-known tactic in US military history called, “False Flag Operations.” America has a long history of it; google it. (())

I want to add here, this is what happens when you have people like Alex Jones and other idiots that want so bad to have democrats in office, that they make all kinds of baseless accusations. It is then vomited back up and used for propaganda by our enemies. This fool acts like he watches the “View”…google it, give me a break. America has a long history of false flag operations…can you give me some examples of false flag operations?? Since we have a long history of it you should have no problem with giving me some examples……Nothing

Eagles comment:

Are you saying that all the suicide bombings at various locations around Iraq, are not Mujaahideen??

And you didn’t answer my question about when it is OK to kill women and children. I ask because, from what I have read from your Holy books, killing women, children and elderly is not permitted.

However, I am no scholar when it comes to Islam. That’s why I am asking you. You seem to be learned, so I thought you might know.

Jihadist comment:

No, did I say that?

The Mujaahideen do confirm martyrdom operations when they do it; but if they don’t confirm the ones in the marketplaces (i.e., the ones that the Americans do), (( he wrote that not me)) ((my thinking is, if they had any proof at all, that America was doing any “false flag” operations at all, they would be SCREAMING it from the rooftops, not, as they say, not giving a crap)) then we don’t give a crap what the media says because we trust the trustworthy ones (( )) over the liars and disbelievers.  ((more oxymorons, or just morons, trustworthy murders??))

The general principle is that it is forbidden to kill women and children. There are exceptions to this principle such as if a child or a woman is fighting in the army.

It appears to me that the enemy is ALL, troops, whether Sunni or Shiite.  ALL Shiite’s whether men, women, or children.  Since they don’t have an answer on women and children being murdered, they claim that the Mujaheddin, didn’t do it.  

Eagles comment:

I’m still not understanding, about the women and children rule…sorry…Do you know of the exceptions to the rule?? It seems that there should be more than just if a woman or child is fighting in the army.

With the martyrdom operations that have taken place in various places, a lot of women and children have been killed. So I was wondering what all the exceptions were.

You appear to be one of the main writers of this blog, and have a lot of information, so I thought you would know that too.

Jihadist comment:

Let me make this clear: whenever an explosion happens in a marketplace, don’t ever expect the Mujaahideen to do such an operation since, most of the time, it kills Sunni Muslim women and children intentionally. ((and we all know that Shiite women never go to marketplace)) Therefore, don’t even allow the idea in your head that the Mujaahideen would do such an operation because they all came to fight the Crusaders, her allies, and whoever the enemies are. Men have traveled thousands of miles to Iraaq to give up their lives nobly; not to kill people who have nothing to do with the enemies.

Just to interject here, I wonder how crushed this guy would be, if he found out the truth of the matter. I am sure he will say they were apostates of some matter, as you will see below. And in case you are wondering he uses the term “Islamic State of Iraaq” all the time. What he is referring to is the parts of Iraq that are Sunni and go along with Al Qaeda. That is the theme with these guys, you have to be Sunni and believe like the Taliban . Now back to his comment.

Again, you cannot make this general statement that “wherever the martyrdom operations occur, women and children are killed…” because you cannot prove that the Mujaahideen did those operations in the first place. America wants you to believe that they did it, but have you ever thought about what the Mujaahideen say?

Can’t say that I have. But I do know that you level a whole lot of accusations at American troops without one ounce of proof. Such as this post for example, of a sniper shooting a boy in the stomach. Got any proof?? NO,…but I am suppose to believe you because…..

Alright moving on, here is a comment by another Jihadist:

Eagle, did you see what had happened to that little boy? HIS INTESTINES ARE COMING OUT!!!!!!!

No American or British child has complained of such. If it happened, none of them are denied medical care to alleviate it. That kid in IRAQ IS GONNA DIE FOR NO CRIME OR SIN AT ALL! If he hasn’t already!

Muslims fighting in Allah’s way avoid women and children, especially so children since women might join the fight. Ask that sniper about killing kids, maybe he can tell you about!

Yeah!!, nothing like a little self righteous indignation. Too bad he doesn’t get worked up by the untold numbers of Iraqi’s murdered by his friends. Sorry pal I have a hard time buying it.

Eagle’s comment:

Why is it that when you see something that is purported to be the act of an American, you take it at face value. But when I ask about the scores of women and children killed in Iraq by IED’s and suicide bombings, I am told that the Mujaahideen didn’t do it.

How do we know that the child was shot by a military sniper??

I was not there so I don’t know who did it, but it seems a bit suspicious that all those killings that are taking place over there, only have to do with the Mujaahideen when it falls under certain guidelines. That is why I asked about the guidelines on killing women and children. All I know is what I had been told, that it was against Allah to kill women and children. And all (so and so) said was if they were in the army…Surely there are no little kids in the army.

He also tells me of a book I could read. Where can I get this book?? I asked (so and so) because he writes the majority of the stories on this website and I thought that since he knew so much about Islam, he would be able to answer my question. Can you answer my question??

I can tell you that ANY child or person who is in a life or death medical status, will be helped at a US field hospital. Once they are out of life threatening situation, they are transferred to Iraqi hospital. Also, some children who have had medical problems that are too advanced for Iraqi or military hospitals, have been flown to American hospitals for advanced treatments.

Also the US military hospitals treat all injuries caused by the US military. Even when a case seems to be hopeless, the medical personnel put as much effort into saving enemy life, as in saving soldiers lives.

As I am sure most of you have already figured out, that last comment of mine was promptly erased . Can’t have any truth up at that website, now can we. In a different post, they show the murder of a Iraqi citizen. Here we see what they have to say about the video:

This video shows the Mujaahideen executing an Apostate. And all the praises and thanks belongs to Allah as our lions of Tawheed cleanse the earth from filth.

Nice guy, if he really wanted to “cleanse the earth from filth”, he had the gun pointed in the wrong direction. I asked him why he was considered an apostate…his response was:

Because he was caught working with the Iraaqi Army (who works with and supports America).

Hmmm and I thought being an apostate was about turning your back on your religion. I asked him that and if he considered anybody working in the Iraqi army an apostate, he said:

There are various nullifications of Islaam. It seems you only know one of them where if a person converted to another religion, he’s an apostate.

Another nullification is to take the disbelievers as Awliyaa’ (allies, helpers, protectors, friends) against the Muslims.

One of the evidences for this is the verse:

O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely his is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. (5:51)

Another nullification is that if you rule a land according to laws other than the laws of Islaam, then you have become an apostate.

Needless to say, what is apostate to him, covers a multitude of people. So I said: WOW, by that, it appears there is a whole world of apostates. What will become of them??

I thought that the guys who joined the Iraqi army, did so to protect their country. Every nation needs an army, if they didn’t have one then a neighbor could decide that they should go in and take over. His reply:

Yes, there are lots of Apostates. Every Muslim Country that has an army is in actuality an army of Apostates.

As for for those who defend their nation, that is why we have the Mujaahideen. Whosoever wishes to defend their nation against foreign occupiers, must join the Mujaahideen because it is forbidden by Islaamic Law to fight for any cause except the cause of Allah; so if they fight to protect and defend Muslim countries that establish non-Islaamic laws (which is all of them today), then they are Apostates.

When I asked if the Mujaahideen would try and kill apostates he said:

Well it’s currently occurring in Iraaq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Algeria, Pakistan, Philippines, and other places.

He may not want it to get out, but it appears he answered the question from the earlier post. Maybe those women and children were killed because they were seen as being “protected” by the US military(not very well it appears). Who knows what is really going on in this idiots head.

As I was closing all my pages, getting ready for bed, I noticed another Jihadist had made a comment on the post about the murdered Iraqi citizen. It was soooo out there that I had to let you guys read it. So here it is:

The sound of that gunshot was music to my ears!
Even oppressed non-Muslims can take notes from that, and they often do the same. But if we Muslims do it, we’re labelled everything except right

 What can you say about a person like that?? Come on people, these guys are nuts. I hate to name it like that, because it is an insult to mentally challenged people or people who are truly insane.

So there is a lesson for Muslims everywhere. These same people made it real clear to me why apostate’s should be killed and I will be going over that in a different thread. But it behooves all Muslims to understand that while these radicals hate the kufar, according to them, they hate the apostate more. Shocking isn’t it. Who would have thought these guys would hate other Muslims more than they hate the infidel.

Please understand why I say the threat is just as great for the Muslim as the non-Muslim. Not only have they given you their lists of who is an apostate, but these very same people have made it known how they feel about Shiite Muslims as well.

So to recap, unless you are a Sunni fundamentalist Muslim, who believes like the Taliban, or in other words..a …. You are an apostate and should be killed.

Any questions?? Its a bleak picture I know, but one that must be listened too.

Jihadist Rule On Killing Women and Children part 1

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The above photo is a dime a dozen, and of much younger kids. As you will see in this and upcoming posts, if we were to go by their rules…these young children are fair game. Thank God we don’t operate under Jihadist guidelines.

Here we have part 1 in a series I plan to write, having to do with the fact that Jihadist have done everything in their power to either, ignore the Quran teaching, that it is prohibited to kill women, children and the elderly….Or to come up with various rulings giving them permission to kill the above groups.

 

Killing Women, Children, and the Elderly is Permitted

One of the elements of annihilation in these Islamist writings is the permission given to kill women, children, and the elderly. Some Hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad forbid killing them, as in the Hadith from the compilation by Abu Daoud according to which the Prophet told Khaled Ibn Al-Walid during one of the Islamic raids, “Do not kill a woman or an oppressed person.” Also, in the compilation of Hadiths by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, the Prophet said, “Do not kill the children [of the polytheists].” This is why Islamist clerics struggled with the question of how to justify attacks by Islamist organizations in which women, children, and the elderly were killed.

One Islamist writer actually based his justification for killing these noncombatants on the conduct of the Prophet Muhammad himself. In an essay published in September 2001, titled “The Truth of the New Crusader War,” the writer, who calls himself “The Crusader Vanquisher Salah Al-Din” after Salah Al-Din Al-Ayyoubi, the 12th-century sultan who took Jerusalem from the Crusaders, set out the circumstances under which killing infidel women, children, and elderly is permitted according to Islam.

Make a note of that first paragraph and the word “raid”, we will be dealing with that in a future post, on this subject matter.

“The second case: It is permitted for Muslims to kill inviolable infidels in the event that they [the Muslims] attack them and cannot differentiate between those with immunity and the warriors or fortifications and, accordingly, they are permitted to kill them as a result [of inability to distinguish] and NOT WITH PREMEDITATION. This is because of what the Messenger said when asked about the offspring of the infidels [whom Muslims attacked] in an ambush and [during it] harmed their women and their children and said: ‘They [the children] are of them [the warriors].’ This proves that it is permissible to kill women and children because of [the deeds of] their fathers when it is not possible to distinguish between them [and the infidel warriors]…

No matter how you slice it, they violate their own laws of conduct. They give rulings that are suppose to make it easier for Jihadist to kill women and children….but I just don’t see it. How is it on 9/11 they didn’t know there would be women and possibly children in those towers. The planes certainly had women and children on them along with elderly people. We can also debate the fact that the men in the planes and WTC, were not fighting any Muslim, or at war with any Muslim country.

I don’t know how, with any stretch of imagination, you can call a bus boy at a restaurant, or a janitor, or an office worker, a “warrior”. The only way that any of those guys in the WTC were “warriors” were on their PlayStation at night. Some may have been in the reserves, but the fact still remains, we were not at war with anybody.

And lets not forget all those premeditated bombings around the world. Killing women, children and elderly willy nilly. Its been a feeding frenzy of violating the rules of “combat”. I guess you only have to follow some of the rules…What of the recent genocide in Iraq, over 500 deaths, according to some reports. That was premeditated, try telling me that they didn’t know, women and children were in that village. And how were those people fighting against their attackers??

In Iraq, they kill Muslims all day and all night. A multitude of women and children. And in Darfur, where they not only kill women and children, but in the women they don’t kill, they rape to plant “tomato’s”.

Oh, but these guys are soooo self righteous so pious. “We are TRUE Muslims”. Way to go fella’s. Give me a break. What a bunch of sanctimonious baloney.

The third case: It is permissible for Muslims to kill inviolable infidels if they are aiding the fighting in deed, word, opinion, or any other way. This is because of the Prophet’s order to kill Duraid ibn Al-Simma, who was 120 years old and went with the Hawazin tribe [to fight against the Muslims] to give them counsel.

I wonder who gets to make that decision….”We killed them because they were ‘thinking’ about going against us….Do we have any proof…no, but they are a kufar, so you know they were thinking it.” You can imagine that happening right??

“The fourth case: It is permitted for Muslims to kill inviolable infidels when there is a need to burn the fortifications or the fields of the enemy in order to weaken his strength, to breach the ramparts, or to topple the country, even if the inviolable ones die as a result, such as the Prophet did in the case of Banu Al-Nadhir.

Hmmm, now let me think, were the attackers on 9/11, planning on storming the World Trade Center?? No. Did they think that flying the planes into those buildings would cause the country to topple?? No. As a matter of fact, there was some word that came out later that Osama Bin Lyin had first thought of attempting to blow up a nuclear reactor, but that decision was nixed because they didn’t know how that would effect the world as a whole.

How much support would he have gotten had he created a few nuclear meltdowns that effected the whole world. As it was he didn’t think that the U.S. would respond the way that we did. (Can’t imagine why he would get that idea.) (thanks Clinton)

“The fifth case: It is permitted for Muslims to kill inviolable infidels if they need to use heavy weapons that cannot differentiate between those who are inviolable and the warriors, as the Prophet did at Taif.

They have an excuse for everything don’t they. Maybe you should look at rule number one…the fact that none of the targets on 9/11 were military, except maybe the Pentagon. So, all the other attacks should have been void. Especially when you remember that we were not at war with anybody when we were attacked.

“The sixth case: It is permitted for Muslims to kill inviolable infidels if the enemy uses women and children as a human shield and it is not possible to kill the warriors except by killing this shield. In such a case it is permitted to kill them all.

We don’t make a habit of using ANYONE as human shields, however, there are various Jihadist groups that do, and cry to high heaven when a civilian gets killed. Just a little more of that…”Do as I say, not as I do” thing. No one wants a civilian killed, and unfortunately civilians do sometimes get killed during war. But, there is still a bit of hypocrisy here as well. Why would you set off a IED when you know there are a bunch of kids around??

“The seventh case: It is permitted for Muslims to kill inviolable infidels if the latter had an agreement with the Muslims and broke the agreement, and the imam had to kill the inviolable ones to make an example of them, like the Prophet did with Banu Qurayza.”

Can’t see that one applying at all.

In one upcoming issue, it is basically one of these self righteous Jihadist, going after another Muslim, for the crime of disagreeing with him. This seems to be the standard fare, either you agree with me, or you are not a Muslim, you are all kinds of things, but not a Muslim.

This will be coming from a different website, than where I have gotten some of my stuff, but the theme is the same. These radicals make it clear on this and other websites, that Shiite Muslims, are not Muslims and are worthy of death.