Anti-al Qaeda Base Envisioned

Here is the second post which is connected to the last one. Again, I found this on my friends blog, thank you Stefan. It is an article from The Washington Times, the link for this story is below.  As always any thing in ((and)) is my comment on the subject. One other thing I want to say, completely off topic. I had this post already in the line up to put up. I had hoped to do some research over the last couple of days since this time of year finds most of us extremely busy until after New Year’s Day. The series I am writing on takes a lot of research to get it right and cover everything. Anyway, on Saturday I started coming down with something, now its a full on head cold. The problem is, if it goes to my lungs, I could be in serious trouble. I have a preexisting lung problem and any other insult could not only cause me to have to go into the hospital, but it could kill me.

I’m telling you all this for two reasons; Number 1 is, I will do what I can with my blogs, but you know what its like when you have a head cold or don’t feel well. 2 if I disappear for a week or so, it could be I am in the hospital, so just so you know, its not because I am quiting the blog. 

Now, on with today’s post:

   

Article published Sep 26, 2007
an article from www.washingtontimes.com

By Willis Witter

Exiled Egyptian cleric Ahmed Subhy Mansour, whose teachings have earned him dozens of death “fatwas” from fellow Muslim clerics, uses the English translation for al Qaeda — meaning “the base” — to describe a plan to defeat Osama bin Laden and other terrorists, who he says have seized control of Islam.”Suppose you have here [in the United States] a base to counter al Qaeda in the war of ideas?” Sheik Mansour asked during a recent luncheon at The Washington Times.

“You could convince a large number — millions of silent Muslims. We can convince them very easily that the real enemy is not the United States. It is not Israel. The real enemy is the dictators in the Muslim world and the culture of the Wahhabis and Muslim Brotherhood,” he said, referring to the dominant arbiters of Islamic orthodoxy in Saudi Arabia and Egypt respectively.

Sheik Mansour is the founder of a small Egyptian sect that is neither Sunni nor Shi”ite. They call themselves Quranists because they believe that the Koran represents the single authentic scripture of Islam. They especially anger Sunni Muslims by rejecting the Hadith and Sunna, purported sayings and traditions of the prophet Muhammad.

“Killing people just because they are not Muslims, they have a Hadith for this. To kill a Muslim like me after accusing him to be an ‘apostate,” they have a Hadith for this. To persecute the Jews, they have a Hadith for this.“All this is garbage. It has nothing to do with Islam. It contradicts more than one-fourth of the Koranic verses,” Sheik Mansour said. ((one-fouth Wow!))A former professor of Islamic history at Al-Azhar University in Cairo, he was expelled in 1987 as the Muslim equivalent of a “heretic” and was briefly imprisoned by Egyptian authorities. After subsequent waves of persecution, he finally fled Egypt just months after the September 11, 2001, attacks and received political asylum in the United States the next year.

More recently, in May and June, Egyptian authorities arrested five leaders of the movement, including Sheik Mansour“s brother, on charges of “insulting Islam” and began investigations of 15 others, with the intent, he said, to destroy the entire movement.

From exile in the United States, he continues to attack the Islam of bin Laden and the Wahhabi Islam of Saudi Arabia that gave birth to bin Laden”s beliefs. Sheik Mansour also attacks the Islamist vision of Egypt”s Muslim Brotherhood, a group that rejects violence but shares the goal of a theocratic nationhood under Shariah, or Islamic law.

Though illegal in Egypt, the Brotherhood is allowed to operate openly in an uneasy truce with the government. Police round up its members whenever it delves too publicly in politics — for example, by holding anti-government demonstrations. But the Brotherhood”s interpretation of Shariah provides a benchmark for Egyptian law, which is based primarily on Shariah.

“We are not against the people. We are against this culture that will produce more and more generations of fanaticism. We go to the core of this culture and prove that it contradicts the Koran,” Sheik Mansour said.

“Few Americans understand that the battle against terrorism is a war of ideas,” Sheik Mansour said. “It is a war that is very different from the military in its tactics, its strategy and its weapons.

“Suicide bombings are just one aspect of this war. They brainwash young men to blow themselves up, to kill randomly. Our mission is to convince him, to undeceive them, to convince them that what he is doing is against Islam. He will lose his life and lose his afterlife as well.”Sheik Mansour claims about 10,000 followers in Egypt who accept his teachings, many of whom are part of his extended family.“We find Islam has the same values as the West: freedom, unlimited freedom of speech, justice, equality, loving, humanity, tolerance, mercy, everything. This is our version of Islam, and we argue that this is the core of Islam according to the Koran.”  ((Somebody tell me why people like these are so feared by the powers that be in Muslim nations??))

He and his sons operate the Quranic Center in Northern Virginia, which includes an elaborate Internet site in Arabic and English. On its Web site at www.ahlalquran.com, the organization is republishing dozens of Sheik Mansour“s books and hundreds of articles he has written over the years.  ((the english version http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/main.php))

The campaign is not without risk. One can find a sampling of fatwas, or edicts by other Muslim scholars against the Quranists, including one saying, “We have issued our commands to the soldiers of God to worship God by pouring out their blood and burning their homes.”  ((Those of you who live in the West, be grateful for your religious freedom.))

Sheik Mansour said in response: “I do not care about my safety, but I do care about my persecuted people in Egypt.”

Paul Marshall, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute”s Institute of Religious Freedom, said arrests of the Quranists reflect an attempt by Egypt”s government to demonstrate its loyalty to Islam to fend off challenges from even more extreme Islamists who want to impose much harsher restrictions on the Arab world”s most populous nation.

“These arrests are part of the Egyptian government’s double game in which it imprisons members of the Muslim Brotherhood when the latter appear to become too powerful, while simultaneously trying to appear Islamic itself and blunt the Brotherhood’s appeal by cracking down on religious reformers, who are very often also democracy activists,” Mr. Marshall wrote in a recent edition of the Weekly Standard.

The arrests of the Quranists received a brief mention in the latest annual report on International Religious Freedom by the State Department, which noted the arrests of five Quranists and defined the group as “a small group of Muslims who rely largely if not exclusively on the Qur’an as authoritative for Islam, to the exclusion of the prophetic traditions [Hadith] and other sources of Islamic law.”

One detainee told an Egyptian human rights investigator that he was beaten and threatened with rape by one interrogator, the State Department report says.  ((This isn’t the first time I’ve heard of this kind of punishment and interrogation torture.  So here we have a man being persecuted, because he is considered a heretic towards Islam, and we have some Muslims, torturing him and others… Please somebody tell me how one man raping another, or if a man rapes a woman … how ‘Islamic’ is that??  How is torture in any form Islamic??)) 

Since arriving in the states, Sheik Mansour has held a number of academic posts. In 2002, he was a Reagan-Fascell Fellow at the National Endowment for Democracy in Washington, where he wrote on the roots of democracy in Islam.

The next year, he received a visiting fellowship at Harvard Law School’s Human Rights Program.

He also briefly met Karen P. Hughes, the undersecretary of state for public diplomacy, last year in the office of Rep. Frank R. Wolf, Virginia Republican.The meeting, Sheik Mansour said, lasted for 10 minutes, barely enough for polite introductions.

“I said: ‘Please, let me sit down with you for more time. I have big plan,” ” he recalled. But there was no follow-up.

“We need official American help for our arrested people in Egypt,” he said. “We don”t want money. We are talking about releasing our arrested people, saving the lives of scholars, bringing them to the U.S., granting them asylum to help establish this new base for moderate Islam.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070926/FOREIGN/109260030/1003

No Compulsion…As Long As You Believe Like Me

As we are going into Thanksgiving and I am very busy during this time of the year; I was afraid I wouldn’t be able to get at least 3 posts out this week. I won’t be putting up one on the topic I am currently working on however I found this on my friends blog.  We will get back to the other series the first of the week (hopefully).  But this post and the next one is just as informative and interesting as the series we are in, so I really want everyone to read it and the next one.

This article is written by Ahmed Mansour, and tells you some of the beliefs of these people who are being persecuted for not believing the same way as the powers that be.  I am printing it in it’s entirety here, but you can also find it here. Again, thank you Stefan for printing great stuff that I can share with others. I thought it was very interesting and worthwhile reading for all. Since I have 5 blogs, what better way to get this out there.  There is a part 2 to this which I will put up by Friday or Saturday.  Actually I think this post should be the second part, but I am putting it up first.

Again remember there is no compulsion in Islam… as long as you worship and/or believe the way your told. Anything else is subject to discrimination, jail, or death. Even if, or rather, especially if, you are a Muslim in a Muslim nation. In the early 1990’s, I was invited by the Egyptian association for religious brotherhood to lecture in a church in Cairo to Muslims and Christians about tolerance. I was warned that there was a suspicious bearded man waiting for me in front of the church.We talked. He told me that he had spent two months trying to meet me. He told me that he had been a member of secret fanatic organization and was assigned to rebut my discourse, but that my words had changed his and his family’s life. He asked me to join my weekly Friday prayer meeting at my home, and if possible bring his family.

After a month they became Quranists.

Who are the Quranists?

The Quranists are intellectual Muslims who believe in Islam as the religion of freedom, democracy, tolerance, justice, peace and human rights. They fight the terrorists’ culture from within Islam, using Quran as the only source of legislation.

Why they are persecuted?

The Quranic movement started in 1979 by sincere Muslim scholars who specialized in the contradiction between the true Islam and the Culture of Muslims. Therefore they were victimized by terrorists and fanatic scholars.
Being activists for human rights and democracy, and calling for peaceful reform from within Islam, the Quranists are also victimized by the Egyptian regime.

The Egyptian regime and Muslim Brothers are against each other but are usually united against Quranists.

Brief overview of the persecution of Quranists:

The Quranists have suffered three waves of arrest; in 1987, 2000-2001, and finally the third wave starting May 28th, 2007, when five of the Quranists were arrested, tortured for 37 days, interrogated, and suffered ridiculous accusations about their faith and prayers.

Their families were also persecuted in Egypt. Some moved to Upper Egypt and some stayed indoors. The Muslim Brothers used mosques, media and the education system, as well as their control of the streets to try to tarnish the Quranists as ardent enemies of Islam.

After the Egyptian regime officially accused the Quranists of insulting Islam, fanatics used the accusation to call for the Quranists’ death.

The five Quranists have been released in October 6, 2007, after more than four months in prison. Because of torture, my brother Abdellateef had to undergo surgery in his ear. Amr Tharwat needed surgery on his leg, while Ahmed Dahmash has damage in his backbone. The persecution continues. Every week, they must go to the same prison to be interrogated and humiliated by the security services. Any time they may be arrested and tortured again. They are ordered to pray the weekly Friday prayer in fanatic mosques, and are not allowed to contact me, or to write in our site.

In this way he Egyptian regime is seeking to make an example for the rest and keep the Quranists from continuing their reform movement.

Persecution in some detail:

As an assistant professor at Al-Azhar University, the oldest and most famous religious university in the Sunni Muslim world, I wrote five books in 1985 to reform Sunni religious life.. I was accused of being against Islam because I denied the intercession of the prophet Muhammad in the day of judgment, deny his infallibility, and deny that he is the best and the master of all the prophets. In March 1987, I was fired.In November 1987, I was arrested, along with 24 of my followers, and accused of being a denier of the Sunna, the sayings and the deeds of the prophet Muhammad. The government claimed that my writing were a call for Muslims to abandon Islam. After two months I was released.

To save my life, I escaped to the United States. When I returned to Egypt in October 1988 I was again arrested, and released after two days on the condition that I not defend myself whenever the fanatics of Al Azhar attacked me. In the period 1988-1995, I was attacked so severely, and received death threats so that I asked for court protection. From January 1996 until June 2000 I worked at the Ibn Khaldun Center as a Muslim scholar and moderator of the Center’s weekly forum. The Center is run by Dr. Saad Eddin Ibrahim, the famous sociologist, and leader of the movement for human rights, civil society and liberal culture in the Arab world. As an American citizen and part-time counselor of President Mubarak, Dr. Ibrahim has had great influence in Egypt in the 1990s.

My life was in real danger after I wrote a book as a project for the Center on reforming the Egyptian education system to make it more tolerant. I was severely attacked in the Egyptian parliament.

As a result of problems between Dr. Ibrahim and President Mubarak, Dr. Ibrahim was arrested in June 2000 and the Center shut down. Since I was in serious danger, and some of my relatives had been arrested, I contacted and explained the situation to officials in the US embassy.

The security service kept us constantly in a state of terror. They arrested more members of my family in my village. Finally they arrested some of my friends who used to attend my weekly prayer at home. One told me that he expected them to arrest both of us along with more of my relatives. He said they would as usual force my friends to make false accusations about me and so I fled to the US on October, 15, 2001. (This is reviewed in the U. S Department of State’s 2002 International Religious Freedom Report)

Since coming to the U.S, I have found the same Wahabi influence, and founded the International Quranic Center, with a website, to organize Quranists.

So, we suffer the third wave of arrest.

For more details:

http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/show_article.php?main_id=126

http://www.ahl-alquran.com/arabic/show_article.php?main_id=2048 

How could the Quranists help the U.S in this war of ideas against the terrorists?

The war against terrorism is 90% war of ideas. This intellectual war has its unique aspects and rules. The Quranists are an Islamic group capable of defending the U.S in this ideological war against terrorism. Al Qaeda and all the terrorist organizations have real power in the war of ideas.

But they cannot debate us with logic and evidence, so they resort to brute force, with government accomplices. So we are jailed, tortured, driven from out homes and made refugees in other countries. They issue fatwas calling for our death; thus proving once more that the Wahabi ideology cannot stand on its own feet, but requires the power of authorities to force it on people.

The only way to confront and defeat Wahabis is by using our ways and methods. We are Muslims, sincere about our faith and very much attached to and adhered to the Quran, and for the past thirty years, we never wavered, never retreated, we stood alone and stood firm, and despite the persecution and the lack of means, we managed to succeed in producing a genuine change in the Islamic interpretation and practices among many Muslims.

In conclusion, despite many successes, we are still victims of the Wahabi ideology and persecution of a tyrannical regime in Egypt on one hand, and a total neglect and disregard from the American institutions on the other hand.

http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/show_article.php?main_id=2614

See :

Egyptian Human Rights Activist Saad Eddin Ibrahim Defies Threats, Arrests to Challenge U.S.-Backed Mubarak Government

And my next post, if you just can’t wait.  Or rather my copy/paste of Stefan’s post lol.  Oh well, it is a holiday after all. 

This Is Who I Am

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 I have another blog with identical posts, except for this one.  So for the sake of my readers here, I am posting this from my other blog so you can see why I do what I do, and how I try to carry myself.  SHIVA, this is for you.  Maybe you will better understand who I am by reading this.  Elric never did, maybe your better able to comprehend English.  Understand, I am not you, I won’t think like you.  Elric thought I never did a “good enough” job on informing about radical Islam because I didn’t write the way he thought I should.  Because of that, he decided he should “help” me write MY blog, by spamming it.  It’s good we don’t all think alike, how boring would that be, but his last comments with salahudin showed exactly that he could only see his view, even when it was shown to be false.  You are not going to change my mind so don’t beat me about the head and shoulders with trying.  It gets very old, very fast.  I’m glad you like some of my writing, and thank you for saying it, but please, please, please, respect me as a person, and follow my rules. Below is the post from the other blog.

I thought that I had gone over this enough, for everyone to understand, but apparently not. Its kind of long, but please read it all. I don’t want any more misunderstandings. I want you all to understand what I am doing and why.

My blog is about RADICAL Islam. I write it to inform. I invite Muslims to comment on it for a variety of reasons. First, communication is the key to unlocking misunderstanding. Second, the threat of radical Islam, is a threat to us ALL. That includes Muslims. The terrorists have made it clear that unless you are a Sunni, and want a Taliban style government worldwide…you are a Apostate, and worth nothing but death.

I feel so strongly about what I am doing here, that my eyes are in a constant state of “blurry” vision. There are days when I spend up to 18 hours on the Internet, dealing with this subject only.

Even Radical Muslims are welcome here on this blog. ALL are welcome here. But there are some things that are not welcome here.

I am a Christian, as a Christian, I try to live my life according to the teachings in the Bible. I’m far from perfect, but I try to live, what I read. I am not here to denigrate anybodies religion. No body wants to feel like someone is trashing their religion. No matter what or who you deem as sacred, no one wants that trashed. People will become defensive and will tune you out. That is not what I want to happen here.

I believe in the GOLDEN RULE. For anyone who doesn’t know what the that is, : Do Unto Others, As You Want Done to You!! …..Its one of those things your mother taught you as a child. I want communication, not altercation. Honey, not vinegar.

Do I believe the way, that some people do in my blog comments?? Absolutely not. However, I try not to be rude, in any of my dealings, INCLUDING when talking to radicals on their blogs. Below are just some of the verses that I try to use when working on my blog, and in life in general. I know some people, don’t want to hear it, but at least this one time, I want you to understand the who/what/and how, of me. The following is from the Bible, I tried to leave in enough of context so you know what he is talking about.

Jesus said in Matt. 12:36-37

But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. (vs 37) For by thy words thou shall be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Paul spoke in Ephesians, about speaking the truth in love.

Ephesians 4:1-6 and 4:14-15 says the following:

(vs 1) I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, (vs 2), with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, (vs 3), endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. (vs 4), There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling, (vs 5), one Lord, one faith, one baptism, (vs 6), one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (vs 14), that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting of men, (vs 15), but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head, Christ

You can speak the truth in love no matter where you are or what you are talking about.

Proverbs 29:11 says, “A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.” I also can’t forget one of my favorite verse’s, “But the fruit of the spirit is, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control. Against such things there is no law.” Gal. 5:22-23I welcome all people to comment on my blog, I DO NOT welcome bigots, or racist. There are people who believe all Muslim people are terrorists, or terrorist sympathizers. I DO NOT, there is no way anyone can convince me of that. By thinking and acting like that, you are no different than the terrorists themselves, who are so blinded by hatred, they can’t see the hand in front of their face.

We know how the terrorists think. If you spend any time reading any of my blog, you know what they think. Its no big secret. The point is, I can inform without being rude and using racist statements. If you can’t, then don’t comment. I don’t want to censure anybody, because it has been done to me on some radical blogs, and even here on 360. BUT, I will not allow anybody to insult, accuse, or be disrespectful, to anybody else commenting on this blog. I will delete any statements with racist hateful remarks.

I want people of all faiths to come to my blog. I want Muslims to come to my blog. I have tried everything I can think of to keep people civil. Some times, there is just nothing more to do than delete rude remarks. If you think I am not doing a good enough job, you can do 2 things. #1) You can email me on things you would like to see. #2) You can write your own blog. I can’t get much more clear.

You can be a glass half full, or a glass half empty kind of person. A glass half full says: “If all Muslims believed like the terrorists, then why aren’t they joining them, singing their praises.?.” A glass half empty says: “If all Muslims didn’t believe like the terrorists, where are their voices?”…..I am a glass half full person, in this regard.

I don’t think that all Muslims know, what the terrorist want, which is why I am writing this blog. How many Americans really know what and why we are fighting?? But you want me to believe that a billion Muslims know and approve of what the terrorists are doing….does that make any sense to anybody??

I want to add one more thing, from 2 Peter 1:5-8 Remember here too, that it can, will and should apply to your whole life, not just in knowledge of Jesus Christ. No matter who you are, or who you worship.

For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Bin Lyin’s Comic Review

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AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Why are our news agencies broadcasting the ridiculous rantings of Osama Bin Lyin?? ………… Maybe for the comic value …… ……..

Where to begin, Osama, seems to be worried about global warming. He obviously is a fan of Gore. And why shouldn’t he be, Gore is another hypocritical wind bag. But when it comes to Bin Lyin’s hypocrisy, it’s a lot more serious than Gore’s use of electricity.

He says, we need to give up our democratic government, hahahaha. “Democrats haven’t made a move worth mentioning.” AGREED!! they are worthless to this country (the House and Senate variety, except for a few) . Obviously they are worthless to Bin Lyin, because they haven’t been able to stop the war. He must be tired of living in that cave. It should concern our democrat leaders, that it appears Bin Lyin supports them and wants Americans to vote for them.  Why do you suppose that is??  Do you think Osama is a closet liberal??  I can see him now, joining the gay pride parade in San Francisco…”we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it” Oh what a sight.    More than likely, that isn’t the reason, he wants the dems in power.  But you already knew that. 

OOooooh, we “permitted” President Bush to complete his first term. What’s the matter there, Osama, didn’t expect that war on you, did you? I can understand how you would think that. Too bad your timing was off. You should have known better than to attack a country while they had a President with a backbone. I can never see that smiley enough when talking of Bin Lyin.   He made the statement that 19 men changed the direction of America.  He’s right, our bombers have a new target range, its a little out of the way, but that’s OK.  Heads up Osama, special delivery.  

This guy was all over the map with his message.  I wonder who writes his material.  And where did he get that “Just for Jihadi” he used to color his beard, maybe it is just boot polish.  It’s funny that he thinks we are losing in Iraq, especially now that the Sunni Muslims of Iraq have figured out what al Qaeda really stands for.   The Sunni of Iraq have turned against al Qaeda.  They are tired of al Qaeda killing their people.  The only lost would be if we left before the Iraqi’s can protect themselves. 

He “invites” Americans to embrace Islam. But you can be sure, it is HIS brand of Islam. The Taliban and everything that comes with it. He and the rest of his ilk, don’t consider Muslims who don’t follow his ‘Wahhabi’ brand of Islam to be “true” Muslims.

That “true” word, for a second I want to show you how bigots and radical Islamist view the world. Bin Lyin, and other Islamist don’t consider any Muslim who doesn’t follow their brand of Islam to be “true” Muslims. Bigots have told me I wasn’t a “true” Christian, because I refuse to believe that all Muslims believe the way of the terrorists. I have a friend who is an Apostate, can he be a “true” Apostate?? Read on, the following comes from his blog, and his dealings with a bigot.

A Towelian meets an Islamophobe, criticizes his/her politics or dissents with their point of view about Islam. Usually these Islamophobes are “never-been-muslims” and “never-had-muslim-friends”, yet consider themselves to be a better authority on Islam than anyone else because they’ve clicked a few buttons online to take them to anti-Islamic websites. P Some of them have even deigned to debate against Muslims on online forums and hence feel they have accurate insight into the Muslim mind.

When we criticize such folks for their often misinformed and sometimes outright bigoted and violent perspective, Islamophobes react in an unerringly inevitable and typical way: (it’s as if they are following some formula that defines their reaction and personality!)

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    • Parading their extreme open mindedness and “mad” research skills, they conclude that any opposition to their politics coming from people with Arabic sounding names are Muslims. (Even though one click on our names on WordPress for example, will bring them to this blog which is clearly not pro-Islam!)
    • When they discover that the Towelian is an apostate of Islam, instead of re-thinking their perspective, they find it easier to define us in a category that best suits their currently held bigoted beliefs about Islam/Muslims. That is, just because we disagree with them, we’re called “not true apostates”…
    • The problem with these people is that their point of view of Islam is limited to its political manifestation. And so they deal with Islam purely on a political level. This is why often times you see Islamophobic blogs extensively researching political verses in the Quran or Hadith, scouring Digg.com for political issues created by Islamists (not Muslims) etc. They are (most of the time, we admit) justified when they are only reporting on developments in the Islamic world that are counter-progressive. For example, the diminishing women’s rights situation etc.
    • But this is also a problem because to them, their only interaction with “Islam” becomes not the religion, but the politics of Islamists. Therefore in their perspective Islam does nothing but promote terrorism and violence. Towelians know Islam is not just about politics but that its basis is both mystical and religious. Thus the Islamic experience of the Towelians plays a key role in giving us a unique perspective into Islam.
    • Using this experience, we disagree with the political demands by certain “unfriendly critics of Islam”. Instead of dealing with our counter point of view in a proper discussion where all ideas are explored in an unbiased way, they succumb to ad hominem type judgments on our person.
    • For example, recently a commentator denied that we were “true” apostates:
  • “My points is that true apostates of Islam would see this difference about mainstream political Islam. I don’t say that there are no peaceful strands of Islam (say Sufis and Druze), but these stand out in their disengagement from the central political message of the Koran. I will support true apostates who call themselves so because of their admission of followed by a rejection of the violent strand (i.e. the worldwide political ambitions) of Islam, and not in order to gain easy entry into political circles in the West.”

    As you can see he made the link between our rejection of Islam as mutually inclusive of rejecting “mainstream political Islam”, which is in essence his own perspective of mainstream political Islam. In other words he doesn’t believe we’re “true” apostates of Islam unless we agree with him… because he’s so “right”. Pun intended. P

Did you get all that?? If everyone would just stop for one minute and realize that we all have different opinions, thoughts, acts, families, jobs, religions, and lives. Some of us search a life time looking for another person who is like us to marry. It’s OK to think differently than your neighbor. Maybe things wouldn’t be so messed up if we all understood this.

When it comes to faith, that, is all about God. It is and should be a private matter between you and God. People who are religious, normally worship out of love. If you don’t…well I would question that. The point is, it’s between you and God. It isn’t anybody else’s job to brow beat someone because they don’t believe the way you do. Here’s what happens when you do…

I go to my friends blog, I don’t agree with some of his posts, but it is not my place to criticize and tell him that he needs to change his blog so I won’t be offended. In a situation like that, if I don’t want to be offended, I should change the channel. Get what I am saying here??

The problem comes when you have a bunch of “holier than thou” people who think they know more than you, be that in religion or other wise; Who then think, it’s alright to insult or disrespect you because of it. In the case of Bin Lyin, he thinks its alright to kill you over it. That’s a bit extreme don’t you think??

This post started out to be one thing and turned into another, but I will leave it as it is. Really folks we could all stand to take a step back and open our mind. ALL OF US!! I am really sick and tired of people saying what they think someone else is thinking even though there is no evidence of it.

I print a story about Muslims who support Israel, and I get an answer that the only reason they are saying that, is because they want to “please” the “West”. God forbid, they might actually believe what they themselves say. Just because you don’t, doesn’t mean that every other person believes the way that you do!!

Use some common sense people.  If I have repeated myself, sorry.  It’s only because I am passionate about the topic. 

http://towelianism.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/the-islamophobic-perspective-of-ex-muslims/

Jihadist Rule On Killing Women and Children part 2

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These questions were asked under a blog entry where the writer of the blog claims that American snipers, shot a child in the stomach and his intestines came out. I am always amazed at the garbage they come up with that is suppose to be true fact. And the actual facts on the ground. I never got an answer on how they knew it was a US sniper that shot the child. I do know that our snipers are highly trained, they can hit a target from unbelievable distances (like a mile plus) and they don’t shoot children.

During the Vietnam war, there were many soldiers killed because they could not shoot kids. Not because they weren’t allowed to defend themselves, but because they just couldn’t do it. So they want me to believe that a sniper, shot some kid just for the heck of it. I don’t think today would be any different than back in Vietnam, even if a kid were running up on them with a gun or bomb or something, our troops would die before pulling the trigger. We can see here, what he thinks of our facts.

Eagles comment:

You seem learnedly(yes it is a word), can you answer these questions for me??

What do you think about the 500 killed in Iraq by 3 suicide truck bombers??  (Remember, the village that was attacked was between 2 Sunni villages, and the Sunni’s had told the people in the village that was bombed to leave.)

I thought it was against the rules to kill women, children and the elderly??

What do you feel were those peoples crimes??

How does the Mujaahideen justify the killing of women and children??

I have been trying to find where it is written, that this is OK, do you know??

Jihadist comment:

Eagle, All we say to you is: Prove that the Mujaahideen, more specifically the Islamic State of Iraaq, carried out that operation. And no, I don’t want Western sources because it has been proven way too many times that they lie regarding the operations of the Mujaahideen, and are very quick to point fingers at them.

Give me the source/statement where a Jihaadee group said they did such an operation. You will come to realize that your media (the Western media) will spoon feed you lies upon lies. And you’ll be even more surprised to find out that your army (the US army) carries out such operations…some Western reporters, have reported on this cruelty. ((really?!?!?)) ((I would be really surprised, since the news media sets upon any possible bad news, with joy, especially if it paints the war in a bad light)) It is a well-known tactic in US military history called, “False Flag Operations.” America has a long history of it; google it. (())

I want to add here, this is what happens when you have people like Alex Jones and other idiots that want so bad to have democrats in office, that they make all kinds of baseless accusations. It is then vomited back up and used for propaganda by our enemies. This fool acts like he watches the “View”…google it, give me a break. America has a long history of false flag operations…can you give me some examples of false flag operations?? Since we have a long history of it you should have no problem with giving me some examples……Nothing

Eagles comment:

Are you saying that all the suicide bombings at various locations around Iraq, are not Mujaahideen??

And you didn’t answer my question about when it is OK to kill women and children. I ask because, from what I have read from your Holy books, killing women, children and elderly is not permitted.

However, I am no scholar when it comes to Islam. That’s why I am asking you. You seem to be learned, so I thought you might know.

Jihadist comment:

No, did I say that?

The Mujaahideen do confirm martyrdom operations when they do it; but if they don’t confirm the ones in the marketplaces (i.e., the ones that the Americans do), (( he wrote that not me)) ((my thinking is, if they had any proof at all, that America was doing any “false flag” operations at all, they would be SCREAMING it from the rooftops, not, as they say, not giving a crap)) then we don’t give a crap what the media says because we trust the trustworthy ones (( )) over the liars and disbelievers.  ((more oxymorons, or just morons, trustworthy murders??))

The general principle is that it is forbidden to kill women and children. There are exceptions to this principle such as if a child or a woman is fighting in the army.

It appears to me that the enemy is ALL, troops, whether Sunni or Shiite.  ALL Shiite’s whether men, women, or children.  Since they don’t have an answer on women and children being murdered, they claim that the Mujaheddin, didn’t do it.  

Eagles comment:

I’m still not understanding, about the women and children rule…sorry…Do you know of the exceptions to the rule?? It seems that there should be more than just if a woman or child is fighting in the army.

With the martyrdom operations that have taken place in various places, a lot of women and children have been killed. So I was wondering what all the exceptions were.

You appear to be one of the main writers of this blog, and have a lot of information, so I thought you would know that too.

Jihadist comment:

Let me make this clear: whenever an explosion happens in a marketplace, don’t ever expect the Mujaahideen to do such an operation since, most of the time, it kills Sunni Muslim women and children intentionally. ((and we all know that Shiite women never go to marketplace)) Therefore, don’t even allow the idea in your head that the Mujaahideen would do such an operation because they all came to fight the Crusaders, her allies, and whoever the enemies are. Men have traveled thousands of miles to Iraaq to give up their lives nobly; not to kill people who have nothing to do with the enemies.

Just to interject here, I wonder how crushed this guy would be, if he found out the truth of the matter. I am sure he will say they were apostates of some matter, as you will see below. And in case you are wondering he uses the term “Islamic State of Iraaq” all the time. What he is referring to is the parts of Iraq that are Sunni and go along with Al Qaeda. That is the theme with these guys, you have to be Sunni and believe like the Taliban . Now back to his comment.

Again, you cannot make this general statement that “wherever the martyrdom operations occur, women and children are killed…” because you cannot prove that the Mujaahideen did those operations in the first place. America wants you to believe that they did it, but have you ever thought about what the Mujaahideen say?

Can’t say that I have. But I do know that you level a whole lot of accusations at American troops without one ounce of proof. Such as this post for example, of a sniper shooting a boy in the stomach. Got any proof?? NO,…but I am suppose to believe you because…..

Alright moving on, here is a comment by another Jihadist:

Eagle, did you see what had happened to that little boy? HIS INTESTINES ARE COMING OUT!!!!!!!

No American or British child has complained of such. If it happened, none of them are denied medical care to alleviate it. That kid in IRAQ IS GONNA DIE FOR NO CRIME OR SIN AT ALL! If he hasn’t already!

Muslims fighting in Allah’s way avoid women and children, especially so children since women might join the fight. Ask that sniper about killing kids, maybe he can tell you about!

Yeah!!, nothing like a little self righteous indignation. Too bad he doesn’t get worked up by the untold numbers of Iraqi’s murdered by his friends. Sorry pal I have a hard time buying it.

Eagle’s comment:

Why is it that when you see something that is purported to be the act of an American, you take it at face value. But when I ask about the scores of women and children killed in Iraq by IED’s and suicide bombings, I am told that the Mujaahideen didn’t do it.

How do we know that the child was shot by a military sniper??

I was not there so I don’t know who did it, but it seems a bit suspicious that all those killings that are taking place over there, only have to do with the Mujaahideen when it falls under certain guidelines. That is why I asked about the guidelines on killing women and children. All I know is what I had been told, that it was against Allah to kill women and children. And all (so and so) said was if they were in the army…Surely there are no little kids in the army.

He also tells me of a book I could read. Where can I get this book?? I asked (so and so) because he writes the majority of the stories on this website and I thought that since he knew so much about Islam, he would be able to answer my question. Can you answer my question??

I can tell you that ANY child or person who is in a life or death medical status, will be helped at a US field hospital. Once they are out of life threatening situation, they are transferred to Iraqi hospital. Also, some children who have had medical problems that are too advanced for Iraqi or military hospitals, have been flown to American hospitals for advanced treatments.

Also the US military hospitals treat all injuries caused by the US military. Even when a case seems to be hopeless, the medical personnel put as much effort into saving enemy life, as in saving soldiers lives.

As I am sure most of you have already figured out, that last comment of mine was promptly erased . Can’t have any truth up at that website, now can we. In a different post, they show the murder of a Iraqi citizen. Here we see what they have to say about the video:

This video shows the Mujaahideen executing an Apostate. And all the praises and thanks belongs to Allah as our lions of Tawheed cleanse the earth from filth.

Nice guy, if he really wanted to “cleanse the earth from filth”, he had the gun pointed in the wrong direction. I asked him why he was considered an apostate…his response was:

Because he was caught working with the Iraaqi Army (who works with and supports America).

Hmmm and I thought being an apostate was about turning your back on your religion. I asked him that and if he considered anybody working in the Iraqi army an apostate, he said:

There are various nullifications of Islaam. It seems you only know one of them where if a person converted to another religion, he’s an apostate.

Another nullification is to take the disbelievers as Awliyaa’ (allies, helpers, protectors, friends) against the Muslims.

One of the evidences for this is the verse:

O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely his is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. (5:51)

Another nullification is that if you rule a land according to laws other than the laws of Islaam, then you have become an apostate.

Needless to say, what is apostate to him, covers a multitude of people. So I said: WOW, by that, it appears there is a whole world of apostates. What will become of them??

I thought that the guys who joined the Iraqi army, did so to protect their country. Every nation needs an army, if they didn’t have one then a neighbor could decide that they should go in and take over. His reply:

Yes, there are lots of Apostates. Every Muslim Country that has an army is in actuality an army of Apostates.

As for for those who defend their nation, that is why we have the Mujaahideen. Whosoever wishes to defend their nation against foreign occupiers, must join the Mujaahideen because it is forbidden by Islaamic Law to fight for any cause except the cause of Allah; so if they fight to protect and defend Muslim countries that establish non-Islaamic laws (which is all of them today), then they are Apostates.

When I asked if the Mujaahideen would try and kill apostates he said:

Well it’s currently occurring in Iraaq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Algeria, Pakistan, Philippines, and other places.

He may not want it to get out, but it appears he answered the question from the earlier post. Maybe those women and children were killed because they were seen as being “protected” by the US military(not very well it appears). Who knows what is really going on in this idiots head.

As I was closing all my pages, getting ready for bed, I noticed another Jihadist had made a comment on the post about the murdered Iraqi citizen. It was soooo out there that I had to let you guys read it. So here it is:

The sound of that gunshot was music to my ears!
Even oppressed non-Muslims can take notes from that, and they often do the same. But if we Muslims do it, we’re labelled everything except right

 What can you say about a person like that?? Come on people, these guys are nuts. I hate to name it like that, because it is an insult to mentally challenged people or people who are truly insane.

So there is a lesson for Muslims everywhere. These same people made it real clear to me why apostate’s should be killed and I will be going over that in a different thread. But it behooves all Muslims to understand that while these radicals hate the kufar, according to them, they hate the apostate more. Shocking isn’t it. Who would have thought these guys would hate other Muslims more than they hate the infidel.

Please understand why I say the threat is just as great for the Muslim as the non-Muslim. Not only have they given you their lists of who is an apostate, but these very same people have made it known how they feel about Shiite Muslims as well.

So to recap, unless you are a Sunni fundamentalist Muslim, who believes like the Taliban, or in other words..a …. You are an apostate and should be killed.

Any questions?? Its a bleak picture I know, but one that must be listened too.