Jihadist Rule On Killing Women and Children part 2

These questions were asked under a blog entry where the writer of the blog claims that American snipers, shot a child in the stomach and his intestines came out. I am always amazed at the garbage they come up with that is suppose to be true fact. And the actual facts on the ground. I never got an answer on how they knew it was a US sniper that shot the child. I do know that our snipers are highly trained, they can hit a target from unbelievable distances (like a mile plus) and they don’t shoot children.

During the Vietnam war, there were many soldiers killed because they could not shoot kids. Not because they weren’t allowed to defend themselves, but because they just couldn’t do it. So they want me to believe that a sniper, shot some kid just for the heck of it. I don’t think today would be any different than back in Vietnam, even if a kid were running up on them with a gun or bomb or something, our troops would die before pulling the trigger. We can see here, what he thinks of our facts.

Eagles comment:

You seem learnedly(yes it is a word), can you answer these questions for me??

What do you think about the 500 killed in Iraq by 3 suicide truck bombers??  (Remember, the village that was attacked was between 2 Sunni villages, and the Sunni’s had told the people in the village that was bombed to leave.)

I thought it was against the rules to kill women, children and the elderly??

What do you feel were those peoples crimes??

How does the Mujaahideen justify the killing of women and children??

I have been trying to find where it is written, that this is OK, do you know??

Jihadist comment:

Eagle, All we say to you is: Prove that the Mujaahideen, more specifically the Islamic State of Iraaq, carried out that operation. And no, I don’t want Western sources because it has been proven way too many times that they lie regarding the operations of the Mujaahideen, and are very quick to point fingers at them.

Give me the source/statement where a Jihaadee group said they did such an operation. You will come to realize that your media (the Western media) will spoon feed you lies upon lies. And you’ll be even more surprised to find out that your army (the US army) carries out such operations…some Western reporters, have reported on this cruelty. ((really?!?!?)) ((I would be really surprised, since the news media sets upon any possible bad news, with joy, especially if it paints the war in a bad light)) It is a well-known tactic in US military history called, “False Flag Operations.” America has a long history of it; google it. (())

I want to add here, this is what happens when you have people like Alex Jones and other idiots that want so bad to have democrats in office, that they make all kinds of baseless accusations. It is then vomited back up and used for propaganda by our enemies. This fool acts like he watches the “View”…google it, give me a break. America has a long history of false flag operations…can you give me some examples of false flag operations?? Since we have a long history of it you should have no problem with giving me some examples……Nothing

Eagles comment:

Are you saying that all the suicide bombings at various locations around Iraq, are not Mujaahideen??

And you didn’t answer my question about when it is OK to kill women and children. I ask because, from what I have read from your Holy books, killing women, children and elderly is not permitted.

However, I am no scholar when it comes to Islam. That’s why I am asking you. You seem to be learned, so I thought you might know.

Jihadist comment:

No, did I say that?

The Mujaahideen do confirm martyrdom operations when they do it; but if they don’t confirm the ones in the marketplaces (i.e., the ones that the Americans do), (( he wrote that not me)) ((my thinking is, if they had any proof at all, that America was doing any “false flag” operations at all, they would be SCREAMING it from the rooftops, not, as they say, not giving a crap)) then we don’t give a crap what the media says because we trust the trustworthy ones (( )) over the liars and disbelievers.  ((more oxymorons, or just morons, trustworthy murders??))

The general principle is that it is forbidden to kill women and children. There are exceptions to this principle such as if a child or a woman is fighting in the army.

It appears to me that the enemy is ALL, troops, whether Sunni or Shiite.  ALL Shiite’s whether men, women, or children.  Since they don’t have an answer on women and children being murdered, they claim that the Mujaheddin, didn’t do it.  

Eagles comment:

I’m still not understanding, about the women and children rule…sorry…Do you know of the exceptions to the rule?? It seems that there should be more than just if a woman or child is fighting in the army.

With the martyrdom operations that have taken place in various places, a lot of women and children have been killed. So I was wondering what all the exceptions were.

You appear to be one of the main writers of this blog, and have a lot of information, so I thought you would know that too.

Jihadist comment:

Let me make this clear: whenever an explosion happens in a marketplace, don’t ever expect the Mujaahideen to do such an operation since, most of the time, it kills Sunni Muslim women and children intentionally. ((and we all know that Shiite women never go to marketplace)) Therefore, don’t even allow the idea in your head that the Mujaahideen would do such an operation because they all came to fight the Crusaders, her allies, and whoever the enemies are. Men have traveled thousands of miles to Iraaq to give up their lives nobly; not to kill people who have nothing to do with the enemies.

Just to interject here, I wonder how crushed this guy would be, if he found out the truth of the matter. I am sure he will say they were apostates of some matter, as you will see below. And in case you are wondering he uses the term “Islamic State of Iraaq” all the time. What he is referring to is the parts of Iraq that are Sunni and go along with Al Qaeda. That is the theme with these guys, you have to be Sunni and believe like the Taliban . Now back to his comment.

Again, you cannot make this general statement that “wherever the martyrdom operations occur, women and children are killed…” because you cannot prove that the Mujaahideen did those operations in the first place. America wants you to believe that they did it, but have you ever thought about what the Mujaahideen say?

Can’t say that I have. But I do know that you level a whole lot of accusations at American troops without one ounce of proof. Such as this post for example, of a sniper shooting a boy in the stomach. Got any proof?? NO,…but I am suppose to believe you because…..

Alright moving on, here is a comment by another Jihadist:

Eagle, did you see what had happened to that little boy? HIS INTESTINES ARE COMING OUT!!!!!!!

No American or British child has complained of such. If it happened, none of them are denied medical care to alleviate it. That kid in IRAQ IS GONNA DIE FOR NO CRIME OR SIN AT ALL! If he hasn’t already!

Muslims fighting in Allah’s way avoid women and children, especially so children since women might join the fight. Ask that sniper about killing kids, maybe he can tell you about!

Yeah!!, nothing like a little self righteous indignation. Too bad he doesn’t get worked up by the untold numbers of Iraqi’s murdered by his friends. Sorry pal I have a hard time buying it.

Eagle’s comment:

Why is it that when you see something that is purported to be the act of an American, you take it at face value. But when I ask about the scores of women and children killed in Iraq by IED’s and suicide bombings, I am told that the Mujaahideen didn’t do it.

How do we know that the child was shot by a military sniper??

I was not there so I don’t know who did it, but it seems a bit suspicious that all those killings that are taking place over there, only have to do with the Mujaahideen when it falls under certain guidelines. That is why I asked about the guidelines on killing women and children. All I know is what I had been told, that it was against Allah to kill women and children. And all (so and so) said was if they were in the army…Surely there are no little kids in the army.

He also tells me of a book I could read. Where can I get this book?? I asked (so and so) because he writes the majority of the stories on this website and I thought that since he knew so much about Islam, he would be able to answer my question. Can you answer my question??

I can tell you that ANY child or person who is in a life or death medical status, will be helped at a US field hospital. Once they are out of life threatening situation, they are transferred to Iraqi hospital. Also, some children who have had medical problems that are too advanced for Iraqi or military hospitals, have been flown to American hospitals for advanced treatments.

Also the US military hospitals treat all injuries caused by the US military. Even when a case seems to be hopeless, the medical personnel put as much effort into saving enemy life, as in saving soldiers lives.

As I am sure most of you have already figured out, that last comment of mine was promptly erased . Can’t have any truth up at that website, now can we. In a different post, they show the murder of a Iraqi citizen. Here we see what they have to say about the video:

This video shows the Mujaahideen executing an Apostate. And all the praises and thanks belongs to Allah as our lions of Tawheed cleanse the earth from filth.

Nice guy, if he really wanted to “cleanse the earth from filth”, he had the gun pointed in the wrong direction. I asked him why he was considered an apostate…his response was:

Because he was caught working with the Iraaqi Army (who works with and supports America).

Hmmm and I thought being an apostate was about turning your back on your religion. I asked him that and if he considered anybody working in the Iraqi army an apostate, he said:

There are various nullifications of Islaam. It seems you only know one of them where if a person converted to another religion, he’s an apostate.

Another nullification is to take the disbelievers as Awliyaa’ (allies, helpers, protectors, friends) against the Muslims.

One of the evidences for this is the verse:

O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely his is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. (5:51)

Another nullification is that if you rule a land according to laws other than the laws of Islaam, then you have become an apostate.

Needless to say, what is apostate to him, covers a multitude of people. So I said: WOW, by that, it appears there is a whole world of apostates. What will become of them??

I thought that the guys who joined the Iraqi army, did so to protect their country. Every nation needs an army, if they didn’t have one then a neighbor could decide that they should go in and take over. His reply:

Yes, there are lots of Apostates. Every Muslim Country that has an army is in actuality an army of Apostates.

As for for those who defend their nation, that is why we have the Mujaahideen. Whosoever wishes to defend their nation against foreign occupiers, must join the Mujaahideen because it is forbidden by Islaamic Law to fight for any cause except the cause of Allah; so if they fight to protect and defend Muslim countries that establish non-Islaamic laws (which is all of them today), then they are Apostates.

When I asked if the Mujaahideen would try and kill apostates he said:

Well it’s currently occurring in Iraaq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Algeria, Pakistan, Philippines, and other places.

He may not want it to get out, but it appears he answered the question from the earlier post. Maybe those women and children were killed because they were seen as being “protected” by the US military(not very well it appears). Who knows what is really going on in this idiots head.

As I was closing all my pages, getting ready for bed, I noticed another Jihadist had made a comment on the post about the murdered Iraqi citizen. It was soooo out there that I had to let you guys read it. So here it is:

The sound of that gunshot was music to my ears!
Even oppressed non-Muslims can take notes from that, and they often do the same. But if we Muslims do it, we’re labelled everything except right

 What can you say about a person like that?? Come on people, these guys are nuts. I hate to name it like that, because it is an insult to mentally challenged people or people who are truly insane.

So there is a lesson for Muslims everywhere. These same people made it real clear to me why apostate’s should be killed and I will be going over that in a different thread. But it behooves all Muslims to understand that while these radicals hate the kufar, according to them, they hate the apostate more. Shocking isn’t it. Who would have thought these guys would hate other Muslims more than they hate the infidel.

Please understand why I say the threat is just as great for the Muslim as the non-Muslim. Not only have they given you their lists of who is an apostate, but these very same people have made it known how they feel about Shiite Muslims as well.

So to recap, unless you are a Sunni fundamentalist Muslim, who believes like the Taliban, or in other words..a …. You are an apostate and should be killed.

Any questions?? Its a bleak picture I know, but one that must be listened too.

Jihadist Rule On Killing Women and Children part 1

The above photo is a dime a dozen, and of much younger kids. As you will see in this and upcoming posts, if we were to go by their rules…these young children are fair game. Thank God we don’t operate under Jihadist guidelines.

Here we have part 1 in a series I plan to write, having to do with the fact that Jihadist have done everything in their power to either, ignore the Quran teaching, that it is prohibited to kill women, children and the elderly….Or to come up with various rulings giving them permission to kill the above groups.

 

Killing Women, Children, and the Elderly is Permitted

One of the elements of annihilation in these Islamist writings is the permission given to kill women, children, and the elderly. Some Hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad forbid killing them, as in the Hadith from the compilation by Abu Daoud according to which the Prophet told Khaled Ibn Al-Walid during one of the Islamic raids, “Do not kill a woman or an oppressed person.” Also, in the compilation of Hadiths by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, the Prophet said, “Do not kill the children [of the polytheists].” This is why Islamist clerics struggled with the question of how to justify attacks by Islamist organizations in which women, children, and the elderly were killed.

One Islamist writer actually based his justification for killing these noncombatants on the conduct of the Prophet Muhammad himself. In an essay published in September 2001, titled “The Truth of the New Crusader War,” the writer, who calls himself “The Crusader Vanquisher Salah Al-Din” after Salah Al-Din Al-Ayyoubi, the 12th-century sultan who took Jerusalem from the Crusaders, set out the circumstances under which killing infidel women, children, and elderly is permitted according to Islam.

Make a note of that first paragraph and the word “raid”, we will be dealing with that in a future post, on this subject matter.

“The second case: It is permitted for Muslims to kill inviolable infidels in the event that they [the Muslims] attack them and cannot differentiate between those with immunity and the warriors or fortifications and, accordingly, they are permitted to kill them as a result [of inability to distinguish] and NOT WITH PREMEDITATION. This is because of what the Messenger said when asked about the offspring of the infidels [whom Muslims attacked] in an ambush and [during it] harmed their women and their children and said: ‘They [the children] are of them [the warriors].’ This proves that it is permissible to kill women and children because of [the deeds of] their fathers when it is not possible to distinguish between them [and the infidel warriors]…

No matter how you slice it, they violate their own laws of conduct. They give rulings that are suppose to make it easier for Jihadist to kill women and children….but I just don’t see it. How is it on 9/11 they didn’t know there would be women and possibly children in those towers. The planes certainly had women and children on them along with elderly people. We can also debate the fact that the men in the planes and WTC, were not fighting any Muslim, or at war with any Muslim country.

I don’t know how, with any stretch of imagination, you can call a bus boy at a restaurant, or a janitor, or an office worker, a “warrior”. The only way that any of those guys in the WTC were “warriors” were on their PlayStation at night. Some may have been in the reserves, but the fact still remains, we were not at war with anybody.

And lets not forget all those premeditated bombings around the world. Killing women, children and elderly willy nilly. Its been a feeding frenzy of violating the rules of “combat”. I guess you only have to follow some of the rules…What of the recent genocide in Iraq, over 500 deaths, according to some reports. That was premeditated, try telling me that they didn’t know, women and children were in that village. And how were those people fighting against their attackers??

In Iraq, they kill Muslims all day and all night. A multitude of women and children. And in Darfur, where they not only kill women and children, but in the women they don’t kill, they rape to plant “tomato’s”.

Oh, but these guys are soooo self righteous so pious. “We are TRUE Muslims”. Way to go fella’s. Give me a break. What a bunch of sanctimonious baloney.

The third case: It is permissible for Muslims to kill inviolable infidels if they are aiding the fighting in deed, word, opinion, or any other way. This is because of the Prophet’s order to kill Duraid ibn Al-Simma, who was 120 years old and went with the Hawazin tribe [to fight against the Muslims] to give them counsel.

I wonder who gets to make that decision….”We killed them because they were ‘thinking’ about going against us….Do we have any proof…no, but they are a kufar, so you know they were thinking it.” You can imagine that happening right??

“The fourth case: It is permitted for Muslims to kill inviolable infidels when there is a need to burn the fortifications or the fields of the enemy in order to weaken his strength, to breach the ramparts, or to topple the country, even if the inviolable ones die as a result, such as the Prophet did in the case of Banu Al-Nadhir.

Hmmm, now let me think, were the attackers on 9/11, planning on storming the World Trade Center?? No. Did they think that flying the planes into those buildings would cause the country to topple?? No. As a matter of fact, there was some word that came out later that Osama Bin Lyin had first thought of attempting to blow up a nuclear reactor, but that decision was nixed because they didn’t know how that would effect the world as a whole.

How much support would he have gotten had he created a few nuclear meltdowns that effected the whole world. As it was he didn’t think that the U.S. would respond the way that we did. (Can’t imagine why he would get that idea.) (thanks Clinton)

“The fifth case: It is permitted for Muslims to kill inviolable infidels if they need to use heavy weapons that cannot differentiate between those who are inviolable and the warriors, as the Prophet did at Taif.

They have an excuse for everything don’t they. Maybe you should look at rule number one…the fact that none of the targets on 9/11 were military, except maybe the Pentagon. So, all the other attacks should have been void. Especially when you remember that we were not at war with anybody when we were attacked.

“The sixth case: It is permitted for Muslims to kill inviolable infidels if the enemy uses women and children as a human shield and it is not possible to kill the warriors except by killing this shield. In such a case it is permitted to kill them all.

We don’t make a habit of using ANYONE as human shields, however, there are various Jihadist groups that do, and cry to high heaven when a civilian gets killed. Just a little more of that…”Do as I say, not as I do” thing. No one wants a civilian killed, and unfortunately civilians do sometimes get killed during war. But, there is still a bit of hypocrisy here as well. Why would you set off a IED when you know there are a bunch of kids around??

“The seventh case: It is permitted for Muslims to kill inviolable infidels if the latter had an agreement with the Muslims and broke the agreement, and the imam had to kill the inviolable ones to make an example of them, like the Prophet did with Banu Qurayza.”

Can’t see that one applying at all.

In one upcoming issue, it is basically one of these self righteous Jihadist, going after another Muslim, for the crime of disagreeing with him. This seems to be the standard fare, either you agree with me, or you are not a Muslim, you are all kinds of things, but not a Muslim.

This will be coming from a different website, than where I have gotten some of my stuff, but the theme is the same. These radicals make it clear on this and other websites, that Shiite Muslims, are not Muslims and are worthy of death.