Anti-al Qaeda Base Envisioned

Here is the second post which is connected to the last one. Again, I found this on my friends blog, thank you Stefan. It is an article from The Washington Times, the link for this story is below.  As always any thing in ((and)) is my comment on the subject. One other thing I want to say, completely off topic. I had this post already in the line up to put up. I had hoped to do some research over the last couple of days since this time of year finds most of us extremely busy until after New Year’s Day. The series I am writing on takes a lot of research to get it right and cover everything. Anyway, on Saturday I started coming down with something, now its a full on head cold. The problem is, if it goes to my lungs, I could be in serious trouble. I have a preexisting lung problem and any other insult could not only cause me to have to go into the hospital, but it could kill me.

I’m telling you all this for two reasons; Number 1 is, I will do what I can with my blogs, but you know what its like when you have a head cold or don’t feel well. 2 if I disappear for a week or so, it could be I am in the hospital, so just so you know, its not because I am quiting the blog. 

Now, on with today’s post:

   

Article published Sep 26, 2007
an article from www.washingtontimes.com

By Willis Witter

Exiled Egyptian cleric Ahmed Subhy Mansour, whose teachings have earned him dozens of death “fatwas” from fellow Muslim clerics, uses the English translation for al Qaeda — meaning “the base” — to describe a plan to defeat Osama bin Laden and other terrorists, who he says have seized control of Islam.”Suppose you have here [in the United States] a base to counter al Qaeda in the war of ideas?” Sheik Mansour asked during a recent luncheon at The Washington Times.

“You could convince a large number — millions of silent Muslims. We can convince them very easily that the real enemy is not the United States. It is not Israel. The real enemy is the dictators in the Muslim world and the culture of the Wahhabis and Muslim Brotherhood,” he said, referring to the dominant arbiters of Islamic orthodoxy in Saudi Arabia and Egypt respectively.

Sheik Mansour is the founder of a small Egyptian sect that is neither Sunni nor Shi”ite. They call themselves Quranists because they believe that the Koran represents the single authentic scripture of Islam. They especially anger Sunni Muslims by rejecting the Hadith and Sunna, purported sayings and traditions of the prophet Muhammad.

“Killing people just because they are not Muslims, they have a Hadith for this. To kill a Muslim like me after accusing him to be an ‘apostate,” they have a Hadith for this. To persecute the Jews, they have a Hadith for this.“All this is garbage. It has nothing to do with Islam. It contradicts more than one-fourth of the Koranic verses,” Sheik Mansour said. ((one-fouth Wow!))A former professor of Islamic history at Al-Azhar University in Cairo, he was expelled in 1987 as the Muslim equivalent of a “heretic” and was briefly imprisoned by Egyptian authorities. After subsequent waves of persecution, he finally fled Egypt just months after the September 11, 2001, attacks and received political asylum in the United States the next year.

More recently, in May and June, Egyptian authorities arrested five leaders of the movement, including Sheik Mansour“s brother, on charges of “insulting Islam” and began investigations of 15 others, with the intent, he said, to destroy the entire movement.

From exile in the United States, he continues to attack the Islam of bin Laden and the Wahhabi Islam of Saudi Arabia that gave birth to bin Laden”s beliefs. Sheik Mansour also attacks the Islamist vision of Egypt”s Muslim Brotherhood, a group that rejects violence but shares the goal of a theocratic nationhood under Shariah, or Islamic law.

Though illegal in Egypt, the Brotherhood is allowed to operate openly in an uneasy truce with the government. Police round up its members whenever it delves too publicly in politics — for example, by holding anti-government demonstrations. But the Brotherhood”s interpretation of Shariah provides a benchmark for Egyptian law, which is based primarily on Shariah.

“We are not against the people. We are against this culture that will produce more and more generations of fanaticism. We go to the core of this culture and prove that it contradicts the Koran,” Sheik Mansour said.

“Few Americans understand that the battle against terrorism is a war of ideas,” Sheik Mansour said. “It is a war that is very different from the military in its tactics, its strategy and its weapons.

“Suicide bombings are just one aspect of this war. They brainwash young men to blow themselves up, to kill randomly. Our mission is to convince him, to undeceive them, to convince them that what he is doing is against Islam. He will lose his life and lose his afterlife as well.”Sheik Mansour claims about 10,000 followers in Egypt who accept his teachings, many of whom are part of his extended family.“We find Islam has the same values as the West: freedom, unlimited freedom of speech, justice, equality, loving, humanity, tolerance, mercy, everything. This is our version of Islam, and we argue that this is the core of Islam according to the Koran.”  ((Somebody tell me why people like these are so feared by the powers that be in Muslim nations??))

He and his sons operate the Quranic Center in Northern Virginia, which includes an elaborate Internet site in Arabic and English. On its Web site at www.ahlalquran.com, the organization is republishing dozens of Sheik Mansour“s books and hundreds of articles he has written over the years.  ((the english version http://www.ahl-alquran.com/English/main.php))

The campaign is not without risk. One can find a sampling of fatwas, or edicts by other Muslim scholars against the Quranists, including one saying, “We have issued our commands to the soldiers of God to worship God by pouring out their blood and burning their homes.”  ((Those of you who live in the West, be grateful for your religious freedom.))

Sheik Mansour said in response: “I do not care about my safety, but I do care about my persecuted people in Egypt.”

Paul Marshall, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute”s Institute of Religious Freedom, said arrests of the Quranists reflect an attempt by Egypt”s government to demonstrate its loyalty to Islam to fend off challenges from even more extreme Islamists who want to impose much harsher restrictions on the Arab world”s most populous nation.

“These arrests are part of the Egyptian government’s double game in which it imprisons members of the Muslim Brotherhood when the latter appear to become too powerful, while simultaneously trying to appear Islamic itself and blunt the Brotherhood’s appeal by cracking down on religious reformers, who are very often also democracy activists,” Mr. Marshall wrote in a recent edition of the Weekly Standard.

The arrests of the Quranists received a brief mention in the latest annual report on International Religious Freedom by the State Department, which noted the arrests of five Quranists and defined the group as “a small group of Muslims who rely largely if not exclusively on the Qur’an as authoritative for Islam, to the exclusion of the prophetic traditions [Hadith] and other sources of Islamic law.”

One detainee told an Egyptian human rights investigator that he was beaten and threatened with rape by one interrogator, the State Department report says.  ((This isn’t the first time I’ve heard of this kind of punishment and interrogation torture.  So here we have a man being persecuted, because he is considered a heretic towards Islam, and we have some Muslims, torturing him and others… Please somebody tell me how one man raping another, or if a man rapes a woman … how ‘Islamic’ is that??  How is torture in any form Islamic??)) 

Since arriving in the states, Sheik Mansour has held a number of academic posts. In 2002, he was a Reagan-Fascell Fellow at the National Endowment for Democracy in Washington, where he wrote on the roots of democracy in Islam.

The next year, he received a visiting fellowship at Harvard Law School’s Human Rights Program.

He also briefly met Karen P. Hughes, the undersecretary of state for public diplomacy, last year in the office of Rep. Frank R. Wolf, Virginia Republican.The meeting, Sheik Mansour said, lasted for 10 minutes, barely enough for polite introductions.

“I said: ‘Please, let me sit down with you for more time. I have big plan,” ” he recalled. But there was no follow-up.

“We need official American help for our arrested people in Egypt,” he said. “We don”t want money. We are talking about releasing our arrested people, saving the lives of scholars, bringing them to the U.S., granting them asylum to help establish this new base for moderate Islam.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070926/FOREIGN/109260030/1003

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Beyond Bigotry

Beyond Bigotry magnify

As most of you know, two of my blogs are completely up to date with all my posts.  Those two had a long series of posts in regards to Islamophobia/bigotry, which sadly gave me quite a bit of hate mail on one of them.  This post is not part of the series I am working on now, and not even written by me.  But I felt it was so important, that I am doing a complete copy/paste from the blog I found it.

Italian politician parades pig on mosque site: press ROME, Nov 11 (AFP): Italy’s former deputy education minister has provoked a scandal by parading a pig on the site of a planned mosque in the country’s north, news reports said Sunday. “We have ‘blessed’ the ground that the Padua authorities want to transfer for the mosque,” said Mariella Mazzetto, a member of the populist right-wing Northern League party in the city. She walked the pig on a lead accompanied by about 10 party members, Italian daily newspapers reported. (Posted @ 16:54 PST) source

Talk about nasty, malicious and hateful. I’d like to see how Islamophobes try to justify this sort of blatant hatred – it’s not even a “point” the Italian politician is trying to make, nor a “self-defense” action etc. On second thought, I don’t think I could palate even a singl comment trying to justify this sort of thing. It’s purely to hurt Muslim sentiment and offend them. Very reminiscent of anti-antisemitism in Europe when other types of fascists paraded donkeys with Jewish symbols on them.

And yet not enough people notice this growing Islamophobia and of those who do, even less are alarmed by it enough to condemn it.

Stop hating Islam. It is as “great” a religion as Christianity and Judaism. It has its flaws like any other religion so look at your own faith’s transgressions against humanity first and then point fingers at others. Better yet, go take out your anger at a punching bag at the gym or something. Get offline and stop surfing right wing blogs. I thank you on behalf of humanity.

As you can see, this is not the kind of behavior which is acceptable under any stretch of imagination.  It sounds more like a something a juvenile thug, than a grown adult who is suppose to be educated.  You can find the original story here.   We have been over this before, we all know that there are bad people out there, but please, try not blaming an entire religion for the acts of a few.  Should we kill all the Jews because they were to ‘blame’ for the death of Jesus?? (no I don’t believe that) Below is part of a comment I left on one of my other blogs, it speaks for itself. 

I have met Muslims from every sect, from conservative to liberal, and in my journey I have found a broad range of beliefs. Only the radicals are ridged. A lot of Muslims will tell you that they may be Muslim but they also have a brain. They are a joy to meet, and no different than you or I. They just worship God differently than what you may be accustomed too.  The best way I can describe it is this; Have you ever met or been told about a Cop who was a complete and total jerk? Who used his position of authority to lord it over others?? Did it at first make you think that all Cops were aholes?? The, “one bad apple spoils the whole bushel” thing??

You have a powerful tool in your hands right now. You can use it to learn, and to grow. You can use it to change hearts and minds. Or you can use it to be condescending, hateful or hurtful. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying you are, I’m just saying the possiblities.

From my personal experience in the last 8 months or so, I have grown and learned. I have spent a great deal of time dealing with Islamist on their blogs (for material). But I have also met and became friends with a lot of good, God fearing, caring, and open minded Muslims. I have also met a fair share of close minded and bigoted non-Muslims.

It all goes to prove one thing… If we actually look below the surface, if Muslims in Muslim nations were given the freedom to live how they please… There wouldn’t be that much difference then in the West. There would be those who are devout, and those who are not. There would be those who choose to dress according to what they feel their scripture calls for, and those who don’t.  You can go on from there.  

We really aren’t that different when it comes right down to it. Most people just want to do their thing, free of strife. There are a lot of misconceptions about Muslims, and Muslims have a lot of misconceptions about Christians and the West. We can go on the attack, or we can go into explanations. Its all how you go about it in your heart. What is your true objective. Mine is to build brotherhood.     

Hate

Hate magnify

  

I have been to plenty of hate blogs in the past couple of months. Both Muslim and non-Muslim. I have also had plenty of comments on at least one of my blogs, against Islam in general. I have been to blogs where Muslim writers were/are trying to dispel the myth that Islamist/Jihadist, are ‘true’ Muslims. And what I see shocks me.

A great many non-Muslims spend their time cursing everything Muslim. And try to convince people like me, that it isn’t radical Islamist, but Islam as a whole that is causing the problem. It isn’t someone like Amin Husseini who perverted Islam, but he was only acting the way he did because that IS Islam. I have seen time after time, moderate Muslim blogs who are trying to show other Muslims that the radicals are wrong. Some of the comments from non-Muslims are surprising to me. In my humble opinion, it seems to me, that instead of attacking those moderate Muslims and trying to show where they are wrong…yes that is what some are doing. You should do your best to support these people. You should also be doing your very best to educate Muslims that the radicals are wrong, not the other way around.

The moderate Muslims who blog about the radicals, trying to educate Muslims in general ARE doing something worthwhile. They should be supported. We should all do our best to try and do the same thing, in whatever way we can. It always amazes me when I see non-Muslims doing their best to ‘educate’ Muslims that they are NOT ‘true’ Muslims unless they are killing a bunch of people. We should ALL be a part of the SOLUTION, not adding to the problem.

Muslim seems to be the new “black”.  Was it right what we did to Japanese Americans during WW2??  How about how Black Americans were treated through out our history, for no other reason than the color of their skin.  Now we repeat history, but this time it is Muslims.  It wasn’t right then, and it’s not right now.

What is the purpose in spewing hate?? What is the purpose in trying to convince moderate Muslims that they are wrong?? What would you think if I started writing in an attempt to convince Muslims that they aren’t Muslim unless they are killing people?? Seriously, how stupid is that?? We don’t have enough problems with terrorists that you want to create a few more?? Does that make sense to anybody??

It saddened me to see a Muslim, who has a blog showing other Muslims why the radicals are wrong (just in case they had any doubt), say, that all she wanted was just one person to say that, ‘The world is better because of a Muslim, not in spite of’. Where have we come, when Muslims feel so alienated that they want just one non-Muslim acknowledge them as being of worth. That should be something that should upset you as much as it did me. Most of you are concerned about radical Islamist/Jihadist, that’s why you read this blog, but with the type of hate and bigotry that is going on out there, in people who are suppose to know better… How do you think that will affect a Muslim who is unsure who is right, us or the radicals??

It seems I spend a lot of time apologizing to Muslims for the actions of bigots, why?? Because of what I just said. Some of us, civilized, educated, Westerners, need to start acting like adults and not little kids. I’ve said this before, it seems it can’t be said enough. I am trying to say as plainly as possible why we need to be a part of the solution, not part of the problem. Your actions are affecting someone whether you realize it or not. Make sure that those you are influencing, are being influenced in the positive not the negative.

Below is the comment I told you about. Please be mindful on how your influencing people. Why should anyone feel like this person?? What is wrong with us, that we have come to this?? Personally I am ashamed to see how some act and talk toward Muslims.

Dear Eagle,

I, personally, appreciate for your sincere effort to communicate with Muslims. May God bless you for your effort.

But, do you know what is my wildest dream is?; to be able to make even only one person in this life to say “World is better with a Muslim”, since nobody see no value in Muslims and Islam. I do not want to be accepted as ‘other’, I want to be accepted as one of the unabandonable values of the life in at least one person’s eyes no matter who or what he/she is either Christian, agnostic, Budhist, Shamanist or atheist, better in a lot of people’s eyes of course, but I would settle for even only one single any non-Muslim person. )

Even though there certainly are values in the Islam and Muslims, everybody seems to agree that the ‘WORLD WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PLACE IF THOSE MUSLIMS DO NOT EXIST EVER’. I reject and protest this rejection, and I strongly empathize Jews as they have been experiencing the similar treatment all over the world. Please, no offense. It is the human nature. In a Muslim country for example, a Christian or Jew would be treated as ‘different or strange other’, but not with as extreme rejection as Muslims receive. )

Peace,

P.S.  That kitty is saying What the Feck, so don’t get any ideas     

   

My Personal Belief and Declaration

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The never ending misunderstanding… Let me try one more time.  It appears that at least one Christian, seems to think that I am not a Christian because I have defended the fact that not all Muslims believe in the terrorist ideology.  It is a known fact that Islamist/Jihadist have been given permission to lie, in order for their ‘mission’ to not be discovered.  I don’t think under ANY circumstance they are allowed to ‘convert’ or ‘apostate’ themselves, so let me do this… 

I declare that I am a Born Again, Evangelical, Full Gospel Christian!!  I KNOW, that Jesus died for my sins, so that I might be saved from hell fire.  I acknowledge that I am saved by Grace and not by works, just as the Holy Bible says.  I believe in ONE God, Creator of ALL.  

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ; for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth… Romans 1:16 (( Neither am I ))

The God of my rock; in Him will I trust; He is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my Savior; thou saveth me from violence.  2 Sam. 22:3

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh I shall see God;  Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another.  Job 19:25-27 

Some think that I must condemn anything that isn’t Christian.  I’m sorry you feel that way, I don’t.  Here is what I believe…

And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us((has toward us)).  God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.  1 John 4:16

A new commandment I give to you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.  By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.  John 13:34-35

Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and everyone that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.  He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.  1 John 4:7-8

If anyone says, “I love God”, but hates his brother, he is a liar.  For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.  1 John 4:20

Love is patient, love is kind.  It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres… Love NEVER fails.  1 Corinthians 13:4-8

And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offense toward God, and toward men.  Acts 24:16

Am I perfect??  Far from it, but I strive to be like Christ everyday, because that is what a Christian is.  If you cannot understand what I am trying to do here after explaining it time and time again, I don’t know what else to tell you.  But you can be sure of one thing… I pray about EVERY post I write.  I pray for guidance, for truth, for love.  You may not understand, but I only write as I think God would have me write.

Some would like for me to condemn all Muslims.  I am NOT going to do that!!  All Muslims are NOT terrorists, they don’t all believe in the terrorist ideology.  The majority of Muslims, are Muslims for the same reason we are Christians, or Jews.  To WORSHIP God.  Jews don’t believe the same thing that Christians do, but I don’t see anybody attacking them because of it.   If you are, then shame on you!!!

I have already made it pretty clear that NONE of us know FOR SURE, who is right.  So in the mean time, try and live in love and peace.  What is it about that which is so hard to understand??

I also want to say something about my last post.  For anyone who has a tendency to think like those who I wrote about.  Or anybody for that matter.

Radical Islam, tells moderate Muslim that we are at war with ISLAM, not terrorists, not OBL, ISLAM.  They want to gather to them as many people as possible to use as pawns in their war against the West.  When you see website after website that has nothing good to say about Muslims in general…or if you indulge in the kind of comments that are above.  You prove their point. 

You know and I know that our fight is NOT against Islam.  We in the West have no desire to capture and convert Muslims.  But think about this, when I was preparing that post, I found some of the most hateful stuff, over something as stupid as a foot washing station at an Airport.  Those comments were not directed at Radical Muslims, they were pure hate directed at Muslim in general for no other reason then they were Muslim.  What do we as a nation gain from that??  What do you as a person gain from that??  How is that helping ANYTHING??  There is no excuse for it, NONE.  There is no way that you can say anything to justify that kind of behavior.

Muslims are the number one target of Radical Islam, NUMBER ONE!!  Yes, Radical Islam is bad, and we want to stop it.  It deserves to be talked about, it deserves to be informed on, but to lump all of Islam into that basket is not only wrong, it’s illogical.

Here is another unbelievable thing.  As those of you who follow this blog know, I go to blogs run by Radical Islamist/Jihadist.  I recently found out that one of the blogs I have been going to….wait for it….which did it’s best to inform Muslim in general how wrong they were, and how they weren’t ‘true’ Muslims unless they were out there killing a few people, or as many people as possible…..  Was set up and run by…..  a….. NON-MUSLIM!!  And here is the kicker, that website was listed on every Radical blog out there that speaks English.  Come on people, what is wrong with that picture.  We don’t have enough problems with Radical Islam that you need to help them??

When I started this endeavor 2 months ago I was pretty closed minded myself.  I got my information from some of those, ‘all Muslims bad, all day long blogs’, when I decided to start writing myself I did so because of what I had seen.  I have 4 blogs that all say the same thing, why, because it is that important.  But in the process of researching for my blogs, I found out that I was WRONG.  All Muslims are not terrorists or believe in the terrorist ideology. 

All you have to do is look at my very first blog entry and you can see the difference between then and now.  I based my ‘knowledge’, on what someone else had said.  I do believe in a lot of what I said, but I don’t believe some like….  I said; “Islam is based on hate, discrimination, and death. You can cherry pick verses that are against these things, but if you look at it in context or as a whole, the Quran is all about death.”  I do NOT believe that anymore and I am sorry if I offended any Muslim. 

The bottom line is, when I wrote this, not only did I not have a Quran, but I had NO CLUE what I was writing about in regards to the religion of Islam.  As I said, I got my ‘knowledge’ from ‘hate Islam all day long blogs’.  I am very grateful that I have since learned other wise.  It is my hope, that we can all learn something from my error.  

Since I started this, I have made many friends from every religion and no religion including Muslims from numerous sects.  I have found that they are as diverse as Christians.  I have tried to show that in this long series of posts on bigots or Islamophobia.  I have found that some people will never get it.  Those people don’t just hate Muslims they hate anyone who doesn’t think like them, and have no problem telling you that.  I have been insulted and belittled because I don’t write the way they want me too.  I have even been blogged about for the same reason. 

When I am wrong, I don’t have a problem saying I was wrong, in the beginning of this, I was wrong.  Please don’t let only the negative influence your thinking.  How many times do I need to say this, get some Muslim friends.  Muslims, get some Christian friends.  What good do any of us do when we hate.  What point do you make, except that you are closed minded and unable to even consider that you could be wrong.

Some have made it a big point to say that Islam means submit.  Let me break it down for you, it does… It means to submit to GOD.  Muslims are Muslim for the same reason I am a Christian or a Jew is a Jew, to worship God.  It’s real simple.  Some Muslims have a twisted view of what they are on this earth to do, the same can be said about anyone for any given thing.  It doesn’t mean that everyone is that way.

Can I say it any other way, or any more???  Do you understand what I am saying this time??  For those of you who have all along, disregard.  The bottom line is we all need to try a little harder.  Bad behavior doesn’t justify more bad behavior.  Two wrongs don’t make a right.  You know, all those things you were taught as a kid, or should have been.       

Then or Now, The Key!!

OK, time for the answers to yesterdays blog… Why do I get this feeling of dread .Please read the whole thing, and the comments underneath, its really important. I will fill in the blanks of all comments, that should tell you when it was written.  Welcome to America, which was founded on the precept that all men are created equal.  Where we have a rule of law.  Where we are made up of emigrants.  Where we have freedom and encourage other nations to fashion their laws after ours.  And welcome to some American idea’s….. 

1)  Europe is a sinking ship that the (Jews) are fleeing along with (women and children). They (sail the high sea’s) with pain in their hearts, hoping to find a rescuing coast with friendly people ready to receive them.

2)  I don’t mingle much with (Moslems) I see a only few on my way home from work at (Rockefeller Center), but most of them are selling foul-smelling food from carts. I can’t imagine living in an area infested by them. I would move away.

3)  We MUST make it uncomfortable for the enemy to enjoy its accomodations in (the West) – by any means necessary, if I may quote a knowledgeable source.

4)  Lets ban (Muslim) Immigration…

5)  I am a “good (Jew)” and a “decent (German)”! Only a (Jew) has the insolence to make such a claim. I answer it only to reach the public and finally dispatch the absurd notion of the “decent (Jew).” The fable of the “decent (Jew)” is not a (German) fable that has been handed down by our people and therefore something with educational value, but rather it is a shameless lie designed to lull the (host) people to sleep and appeal to hysterical weaklings.

6)  I HATE (ISLAM), but I’m not an (islamophobe). I will spread my hate for (islam) as far and wide as possible and nobody can stop me. You have inspired me to hate (islam) even more and bolstered my resolve to share my hate with everyone I meet. Thank you very much for the encouragement!

7)  I think it’s great news that (Islamophobia) is on the rise in Europe. I want the pot to start boiling over. Something’s gotta give. If it starts in Europe, it could ignite (over here).

8)  The best (German) is not he who makes the most money, but rather he who is of greatest service to his people. I doubt that one can translate this sentence into (Hebrew), since it goes far beyond any (Jewish) understanding.

9)  Affording these parasites a lifestyle they want to become accustomed to living off those that are their betters…(Muslims) are very good at playing the victim card when they are in a position of weakness exploiting the society they want to overrun and dominate.

10)  When the (Muslims) have served their purpose, the new European elite will liquidate any potential problems.

11)  They will resist any attack against their life, their nature, their culture or their economy, and are therefore unbeatable, because they have through their own values recognized the inner lack of values of the (Jewish) world enemy.

12)  The hairy (jihadi) apeman of (Hamas) naturally ASSUMES that (Madonna and Britney) whould be walking alone in a dark alley when he and his knuckle-dragging (followers) would pounce on them, rape them, and (cut off their heads).  Such tough guys these apes of allah.   ((this was on a story that evidently a person from Hamas said they would behead the “whores” Madonna and Britney)) 

13)  They are beginning to ask why members of a foreign race have more to say in their nation than those who bled and died for their nation. ((Germany))

14)  For every wounded person we throw out 100 (moslems) FOREVER and for every person murdered we make it a 1000… 

15)  But the (German) people have ripped apart this nimbus of (Jewish) irresistibility, and thus cleared the way for an open discussion among the peoples about the value or lack thereof of the (Jews). The peoples can only win as a result, the (Jews) can only lose!

16)  Most inexplicable for me are the two (Germans) who converted to (Islam). No one in their right mind should convert to (Islam). It’s bad enough to be born (Muslim), but to become one is evidence of off-the-chart foolhardiness. 

17)  Your (racial) comrades intentionally and cold-heartedly preached and encouraged the murder of the unborn children of our people through abortion. The (racial) hatred (Jews) had for their (Aryan) host people extended to the growing life in a mother’s womb. How many millions of unborn children and how many hundreds of thousands of mothers fell prey to the greed and hatred of (Jewish) doctors? 

18)  We should get together with (India, Russia, China) and (Europe) and stamp out this cancer.

19)  No (moslems) in any (Western) country.

20)  Today you must leave (Germany), as you once left (Egypt). Bearing the mark of (Cain), you must wander until your fate is fulfilled.  Only then will the age of true peace between the peoples of this earth begin!

21)  (Hamid Hayat’s) relatives, no matter how far removed, should be deported! (not going back to Ishmael of course)  ((this was under a story about this guy having attended a jihadist training camp))

22)  You could claim hard work, diligence and luck, and reject any attack as the result of envy. But today you (Jews) are laughing no longer, for your very nature, your spirit, is revealed, and you must fight without your masks.

23)  (Islam) morally rots your morals and as well as your intellect. It’s a blasphemous cancer.  The blood always flows where the (Muhammadan ) goes.  Always. 

24)  Give (Islam) no quarter!  Stamp out (pigslam)!!! Let us no longer waste (Western lives) for the SCUM of the earth.

25)  Our daughters, the mothers of the coming generation, are far too holy to us to allow them to be given to the lusts of the offspring of parasitic (Hebrew nomads).

26)  It will be forever impossible here for faded coats of arms to be regilded through marriage with baptized (Jewesses).

27)  They rightly ask who won the war, and who benefited from it. One day, they will know the answer. No one then will believe the fables of “(decent Jews) and good Frenchmen or Englishmen or Americans” any longer.  ((Oops, hahaha))

Notice anything??  Definitely Radical Islam needs to be questioned and talked about.  But these people do not separate radical Islam and Islam.  They talk about the primitive 7th century Muslims, but do their comments look ‘civilized’ to you??  These are mild compared to some of their other comments.  The point is, we know that radical Islamist/Jihadist are fascist, it is plain to see.  But check yourself that you don’t become like them!!  THIS, IS NOT AMERICA!!!

I would like to think that this will make you think, if you have a tendency to lean towards comments like this.  Hate only breeds more hate, it adds nothing to dialog and only confirms your own ignorance.  There is an old saying that says, “Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it.”  There is also a poem that we should all remember.:

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin NiemöllerYou can speak out about radical Islam without the venom that we see here.  I don’t seem to have a problem doing it.  The point is to see how the comments from ‘now’ mirror the comments of ‘then’.  I’m sure plenty will jump me for this, but it is plain to see.  Islamist say the same type of thing, is that where you want to be??  Below are a few more ridiculous comments. 

To those that make comments like these, what makes you better that radical Islam, or the Nazi’s??

To Muslims who are reading this.. I’m sorry to print this stuff but it needs to be addressed.  Most all of this came from one website in the last few days. Sad, sad, sad.  If you want to skip the orgy of hate, be sure you read the bottom comment.  These comments are all copy/paste.  The numbers are only there to separate each comment.

1)  They need to capture the entire colony of rats because they breed like Muslims.

2)  Anyone else out there not feeling comfortable with Muslim doctors?

or

Muhammadan Bus Drivers?
Muhammadan Airline Pilots?
Muhammadan food handlers?
Muhammadan security guards?
Muhammadan pharmacists?
Muhammadan soldiers?
Muhammadan taxi drivers?
Muhammadan engineers?
Muhammadan dentists?
Muhammadan financial planners?
Muhammadan baggage handlers?
Muhammadan janitors?
Muhammadan daycare workers
Muhammadan nurses?

Muhammadan anything?

3)  The Muslims seem to have an endless supply of bullets, rockets, and explosives, which may be a good thing.. They have lots of Muslims to use them on…
While we dhimmi fools feed the bastards! They gort money for guns.. ergo they have something of value they can barter for food, etc.

Give islam NO QUARTER!!

STAMP OUT pigslam!!!!

Let us no longer waste Western lives for the SCUM of the earth.

4)  We should in fact remove rturkey from teh European part it occupies and restore the rightful owners to the land.. Greece and Bulgaria. Konstantinopoulos should be RETAKEN and handed to Greece!!

5)  Time to realize that pedo-prophet was right on one thing, muslim women are deficient in the brain.

6)  Premise #1: NO moslems in any Western country.
Ergo: NO mopslem violence!

Wow. That was easy.. Logic 101.

Why don’t the POLOticians know Logic??!!

Why do the MSM ignore Logic??

Are we experiencing Mass Psychosis in the West?

((Sad, below is about some foot washing stations that were put in at a Airport.))  

7)  They know damn well that most real Americans won’t put their feet into one of these nasty foot baths.

Any way that someonbe who lives near these things anywhere could post pictures of them so I can make some suggestions on how they could be used creatively?!

Seeing them in their setting would aid in visualizing something 🙂

I could suggest drawing crucifixes or the fish symbol with chalk on the walls in front of these things.. Anyone who is tall should draw them HIGH up to make it harder to interfere with and to remind the MoFoes that they are UNDER God as long as they are in the USA. 🙂

Doing it in chalk wouldn’t make it graffiti either.

We MUST make it uncomfortable for the enemy to enjoy its accomodations in the West – by any means necessary, if I may quote a knowledgeable source.

8)  What if I said that mohamet was a goat-loving pedophile? Is that worth anything? Maybe I have to start cartooning?

9)  We should get together with India Russia China and Europe and STAMP OUT this cancer. [sorry for the caps]

10)  islam is like the Roach motel. You can be born in it, check into it, live around it and perhaps convert to it. But once you check into this roach motel, you can never leave.

/Black Flag… Roaches check in but they don’t check out!

/Hotel California.. “You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave”.

You’re either dealt the fate of being born into this filth with no way out, or you choose to convert because you have a Nazi like mentality. There’s “no way out”.

islam is a disgusting cancer on this Earth.. a pimple on the ass of Satan.. A scourge that has scarred humanity for all time. And the worst part? “There’s no way out”.

11)  Enraged Islamo-punks climbing all over an ancient statue trying to blow it up?

Reminds me of that scene in 2001: A Space Odyssey where the apes are banging on that “monolith.”
A culture of lethal ignorance…and my apologies to actual apes for the analogy.

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And finally the ‘coup de ass’…Evidently the person who made the comment below, is all for just killing someone who is suspected of a crime whether he has a weapon or not, whether he has been found guilty or not.  I’d just LOVE to live in his world….NOT.  

12)  According to this story:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-09-16-iraq-arrest_N.htm

The vermin that killed sheik Risha last week was just located and arrested.

I say again “arrested”.

Was he read his rights? Will he demand and get a speedy trial? Will he get his 3 squares a day, new prayer rug, new Koran and state financed attorney? Will he get conjugal visitation rights for his 10 year old bride?

This is madness. Our own Christian-Judeo values and legal traditions will be the death of us all.

The shiek was blown to pieces by an IED and his killer was “arrested”.

I thought this was a war, not a police action.

One final thought on this subject, my feelings on these people are the same as my feelings for Radical Islam and the Nazi’s, they are  there are no other words for it.  Well there are, but I won’t use them.    

Have a nice day.    And if your going to err on something, err on the side of love!          

What Will You Do??

What Will You Do??? magnify

A friend of mine pointed out this article by Fred Voorhees.  Fred is a Liberal and I am a Conservative, so we don’t always agree where politics are concerned.  Unlike some of our elected leaders, I don’t have a problem reading what he has to say and agreeing with some or all of it.  I don’t think that makes me a “bad” conservative.  I think we would all do well to listen more than we talk.  If we do that, we will all have a bit more understanding of the other side.

I am posting here the article by Fred Voorhees.  Though I may not agree with all of it, he makes some valid points.  Buckle up for safety.  

 It is entitled:  Ethnocentric Ignorance,

Although Muslims say their religion is a peaceful one, many Americans are inclined to call bulls#it. How do they expect us to believe they’re all about loving one another when their own behavior seems to indicate otherwise? Slaughtering thousands of Americans on 9/11 was not their lone foray into killing; one can turn on the news any night of the week and catch media glimpses of militant jihadists destroying humanity in the name of allah. Muslims and their god “hate our freedom,” and they react viscerally to their own ignorance instead of trying to figure out what we as Americans stand for. As their violence escalates, even the most open-minded ((I certainly hope he is wrong)) Americans are starting to accept the dominant explanation that almost all Muslims are evil, and that the few “good” ones lack the balls to try to curtail the evildoers. In the name of jesus christ our lord and savior, we need to get the f@$k over there and blow some s#it up.

American eyes can see that the jihadists are brainwashed; and we are taken aback at their inability to recognize America is a peaceful nation, as addicted to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as radical muslims are to death, oppression, and the pursuit of suicidal hate. The USA is a loving nation, formed on the premise that human life is sacred. “We hold these truths to be self-evident that all (humans) are created equal. Here in the United States we say we believe in freedom of religion. So when we go to other countries with tanks and bombs it is to defend these freedoms–not to destroy them. Contrary to popular Islamic belief, we are not trying to take over the world and spread Christianity; we just want to restore peace.

WHY JIHAD?

Although Americans say our nation is a peaceful one, Muslims are inclined to call bullshit. How do we expect them to believe we’re all about loving one another when our own behavior seems to indicate otherwise? American blowhards like Rush Limbaugh pollute international radio waves with ethnocentric ignorance; our most hateful sound bytes then are translated in propaganda mills, churned out and consumed by the people. Limbaugh’s vomiting up of all the angst associated with his midlife crisis does not speak on behalf of America. But even though Limbaugh’s ignorance is one of the most disgusting examples of American hate; it is also one of the most commonly regurgitated global sound bytes. Words of the far right are translated into Arabic and other languages and have become an international caricature, assumed by many to represent the feelings of average Americans. The message they hear is that “Americans hate allah… Americans are sending their soldiers to enforce christianity.”

Jingoistic words, however vile, cannot alone incite the hate that so many nations now have for America. Many enlightened Muslims were initially skeptical of radical Islamic fears that Americans wanted to mandate jesus in all corners of the globe. But they probably became a bit more convinced when they saw U.S. troops trampling on their holy soil with no regard for their social, cultural, or religious beliefs. As the U.S. sends more troops to invade new locations throughout the Middle East, even the most open-minded Muslims are starting to accept the dominant explanation: almost all Americans are evil, and those who are “good” don’t have the balls to stop the evildoers. In the name of allah, they want to blow us up now.

ETHNOCENTRIC IGNORANCE

Forty years after they were first written, Buffalo Springfield’s insights about right and wrong are as relevant as ever: “nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong.” It remains a human instinct to consider oneself “right” in any form of retaliation against something that was “wrong.” To Americans who hate Islam, and to Muslims who hate America, I say this: Consider how you feel about your enemies, and think about why you feel that way. Your enemy feels these same things about you and has the same justification for feeling them. Nobody ever self-defines as being evil. One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Nobody is saying, “I am hateful” or “I am wrong,” because few are strong enough to see the flaws in their own belief system.

America is snagged on the same trap that cripples our so-called enemies. For all of our differences, there is one fundamental commonality between America and radical Islam: we see the world in terms of hypocritical dichotomies. Just like Osama bin Laden, we see ourselves as loving, good, and right; and we see it as our duty to protect the world from all that is hateful, evil, and wrong.

I want to say several things in regards to this article.  First, I do listen to Rush on occasion, and most of the time I agree with what he says, as far as politics are concerned.  I can’t say that I have heard him say anything about Islam, but I don’t listen to him very often.  I can say this… I have seen Americans go into blogs that are run by radical Islamist.  They go in there and cuss and carry on, they don’t make any argument to try and change the mind of the radicals.  BUT, those comments they do make, are left up for everyone to see.  Why??  Because it confirms their view of Americans or non-Muslims.  They use it for propaganda against America.

In doing some research for my blog, I came across a petition that had been set up in which, Muslims were asked to sign it to denounce terrorism.  When I looked at it, I found various comments made by non-Muslims cussing and belittling the Muslim faith.  What do you think that kind of behavior adds to the conversation??  Do you think that by acting that way you are going to endear yourself to Muslims??  I know that some of you think that ALL Muslims believe in the terrorist ideology, I have already addressed that, and proved it false.  But, if there ARE Muslims who are moderate, if you are WRONG, then doing what some people think is cute, will only cause Muslims to lean towards the radicals, not away.

I had asked a question, of how many Muslims do you think read something like Jihad Watch, which never has anything good to say about Islam.  The answer was, lots.  I will take a leap and say, if that is in fact true, its to point out the fact that nothing good is ever said about Islam on that website.  I have said it a dozen times, my blog is about Radical Islam, but I don’t have one problem pointing out the fact that not all Muslims/Islam, agree with the terrorist ideology.  I make it a point to address that when ever and where ever I see people commenting that they think it is.  I say that, to show that your blog can be about Radical Islam without damning all Muslims.

We were all born with a brain, and if you were lucky, your parents taught you manners.  Use some common sense, use some manners.  If you will do those two things, you will do good.  I have spent a great deal of time proving that not all Muslims think like or agree with the terrorists.  I would ask those that still don’t get it, to at least refrain from spreading your venom.  The only thing you are doing is proving that you are UN-American, you don’t believe in things our country was founded on.

Must we always play politics, like our “esteemed” politicians, that have a hard time listening to anything anybody on the other side has to say??  Do we want to close our minds so much, that we are unable to learn anything new??  Do you want to surround yourself only with people that think just like you??  What good is that??  We have the greatest ability to learn and make a positive impact then any time before.  You have at your fingertips, right now, the means to learn and to teach.  How will you use it??  Will you attempt to educate yourself, or will you close your mind to new things??

To Muslims who are reading this, I want you to know that most Americans DON’T believe that ALL Muslims agree with the terrorists.  Actually a lot of Americans are too self absorbed to even think about it at all.  My biggest concern is Americans that don’t pay enough attention to the threat that radical Islam poses, I feel that way about Muslims as well.  If you as a Muslim, have been abused for no other reason than you are Muslim, please accept my apologies.  There is no excuse for that kind of behavior regardless of who you are. 

Another Muslim perspective

http://www.voicesoftomorrow.org/333/international/islam-under-fire.php

The links below are addition info on this subject that you should read.  The bottom link is the original article. 

http://towelianism.wordpress.com/2007/03/07/hypotheses-of-misperception-part-i/

 

http://towelianism.wordpress.com/2007/09/14/ethnocentric-ignorance-sponsored-by-gods/

http://leviticus1919.wordpress.com/2007/09/14/ethnocentric-ignorance/

Where Are Those Moderate Muslims?? HERE!!

I wasn’t planning on writing more on this topic for at least a little while, but I came across this and thought it was PERFECT, and needed to be seen by all. Many have asked where are the voices of Muslims, crying out against terrorism. I have asked the same thing. We can put part of that on our media, how many of you have seen the story below?? I stayed tuned into cable news all day long, and I haven’t seen this story. It all follows what I have said many times. Good news just doesn’t sell. Will anyone give this credit?? Or will the typical anti-Muslim bigots, call this an aberration and all these people not “true” Muslims. 

Tabraiz Feham writes from Pakistan:

THIS IS OUR NO TO EXTREMISM

15 Apr – 2007

Hundreds of thousands of people gathered in sizzling heat of Karachi to condemn and raise their voice against extremism and what they call it “Danda Bardaar Shariyat”. This is a sheer display and warning for a mere 2% minority of extremists to correct their vices… This is not Afghanistan, Welcome to Pakistan.

 


Mammoth historical rally


Ocean of Masses

 

 


Religious scholars from different School of thoughts are present in the Rally

 

 

 

 

 

http://towelianism.wordpress.com/2007/04/19/tens-of-thousands-of-moderate-muslims-stage-anti-extremist-rally/